Chiefs So, did the Vikes get what they wanted with Allen?

Red Dawg · 01-04-2009, 07:18 PM

The way I see it we got the better end. They got one great player and we got what looks like two starters. Jared and his 15 sacks didn't change anything. They are done already. Like alot of us know, you need a team not a superstar. Team defense and team offense are what's important.

I will say a solid QB is a must. We need a franchise QB bad or nothing else we do will matter at all.

Hootie · 01-04-2009, 07:20 PM

he didn't have any sort of an impact today

Yeah right dude...we got a good deal but Jared is an absolute STUD.

StcChief · 01-04-2009, 07:20 PM

at this point still too early to tell. Balance seems to be leaning toward KC

triple · 01-04-2009, 07:22 PM

he's not worth the money they have invested in him, but no one probably is.

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2009, 07:22 PM

He had 16.5 sacks this year.

Imagine what he does if that offense gets a QB and the defense starts playing with a lead.

**petegz28** · 01-04-2009, 07:23 PM

He had more sacks by himself than our entire team.........what more can be said?

TRR · 01-04-2009, 07:24 PM

I think both teams got exactly what they expected out of the deal. The Chiefs were 4-12 with Jared Allen, and knew Allen wasn't a player that you could build a franchise around. Furthermore, KC needed help in several areas, and decided that the picks and the allocated money would be more of an asset than one player.

The Vikes thought they were one or two players away from a Super Bowl caliber team. Problem is, that position probably wasn't DE...It was a QB. Hindsight is always 20/20. Either way, Allen will be a wrecking ball for them until the day he hangs it up (or takes another drink, or sours on their front office.) And the Chiefs got two very good players (one in which will anchor the O Line for years to come IMHO.) and cap space.

**petegz28** · 01-04-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I think both teams got exactly what they expected out of the deal. The Chiefs were 4-12 with Jared Allen, and knew Allen wasn't a player that you could build a franchise around. Furthermore, KC needed help in several areas, and decided that the picks and the allocated money would be more of an asset than one player.

The Vikes thought they were one or two players away from a Super Bowl caliber team. Problem is, that position probably wasn't DE...It was a QB. Hindsight is always 20/20. Either way, Allen will be a wrecking ball for them until the day he hangs it up (or takes another drink, or sours on their front office.) And the Chiefs got two very good players (one in which will anchor the O Line for years to come IMHO.) and cap space.

yeah a bad-ass pass rusher at age 26 is at the end of his career and cannot anchor a defense.

I'm not saying we got the shit-end of the stick. But I think you are wrong on your take of Allen.

triple · 01-04-2009, 07:31 PM

we went from 4-12 to 2-14.

in exchange we got three draft picks that look to translate at least into a franchise left tackle. plus, i guess you could say we saved the $75 million of salary that the Vikings have wrapped up in him

Davechief · 01-04-2009, 07:33 PM

I think both sides came out Ok on the deal. Jared is in a much better immediate situation, but still hasn't won a playoff game.

TRR · 01-04-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

yeah a bad-ass pass rusher at age 26 is at the end of his career and cannot anchor a defense.

I'm not saying we got the shit-end of the stick. But I think you are wrong on your take of Allen.

If you read my last post, I said BUILD A FRANCHISE AROUND...Not anchor a defense. Your talking about a very good player. But one that (1) Was already bickering with the front office (2) Was demanding to be paid like the King of Spain when the team had SO many needs, and (3) Was one drink away from being suspended indefinitely.

You can't build or turn around a franchise with a player like Jared Allen. Is he a piece of the puzzle? Absolutely. But he isn't what a young team like the Chiefs needed...they needed more players. And I never said he was at the end of his career?????

KChiefs1 · 01-04-2009, 07:38 PM

I'll take the Chiefs side of the trade.

plbrdude · 01-04-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

If you read my last post, I said BUILD A FRANCHISE AROUND...Not anchor a defense. Your talking about a very good player. But one that (1) Was already bickering with the front office (2) Was demanding to be paid like the King of Spain when the team had SO many needs, and (3) Was one drink away from being suspended indefinitely.

You can't build or turn around a franchise with a player like Jared Allen. Is he a piece of the puzzle? Absolutely. But he isn't what a young team like the Chiefs needed...they needed more players. And I never said he was at the end of his career?????

some people just see what they want to read.

macdawg · 01-04-2009, 08:00 PM

Vikings win easily.

Chiefs won 2 games and set an NFL record for worst pass rush in football history. Of course Jared was bickering he was dealing with Carl and playing for one of the worst teams with no end in sight.

Vikes went from 8-8 to 10-6 and to a playoff appearance.

Only time will tell for sure and I hope the Chiefs hit on those picks, Albert so far is the only pick I like.

**petegz28** · 01-04-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRR

If you read my last post, I said BUILD A FRANCHISE AROUND...Not anchor a defense. Your talking about a very good player. But one that (1) Was already bickering with the front office (2) Was demanding to be paid like the King of Spain when the team had SO many needs, and (3) Was one drink away from being suspended indefinitely.

You can't build or turn around a franchise with a player like Jared Allen. Is he a piece of the puzzle? Absolutely. But he isn't what a young team like the Chiefs needed...they needed more players. And I never said he was at the end of his career?????

How dare a guy who led the league in sacks and that was making dick
for $'s ask for more money.

Carl ****ed it up, plain and simple.

01-04-2009, 07:18 PM
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4772858	So, did the Vikes get what they wanted with Allen? The way I see it we got the better end. They got one great player and we got what looks like two starters. Jared and his 15 sacks didn't change anything. They are done already. Like alot of us know, you need a team not a superstar. Team defense and team offense are what's important. I will say a solid QB is a must. We need a franchise QB bad or nothing else we do will matter at all.
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01-04-2009, 07:20 PM	#2
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	he didn't have any sort of an impact today Yeah right dude...we got a good deal but Jared is an absolute STUD.
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01-04-2009, 07:20 PM	#3
StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	at this point still too early to tell. Balance seems to be leaning toward KC __________________ sig test for this screwy schema
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01-04-2009, 07:22 PM	#4
triple Stop saying &quot;This.&quot; Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	he's not worth the money they have invested in him, but no one probably is.
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01-04-2009, 07:22 PM	#5
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4730478	He had 16.5 sacks this year. Imagine what he does if that offense gets a QB and the defense starts playing with a lead. __________________ Chiefs game films
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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2814127	He had more sacks by himself than our entire team.........what more can be said?
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01-04-2009, 07:24 PM	#7
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9870185	I think both teams got exactly what they expected out of the deal. The Chiefs were 4-12 with Jared Allen, and knew Allen wasn't a player that you could build a franchise around. Furthermore, KC needed help in several areas, and decided that the picks and the allocated money would be more of an asset than one player. The Vikes thought they were one or two players away from a Super Bowl caliber team. Problem is, that position probably wasn't DE...It was a QB. Hindsight is always 20/20. Either way, Allen will be a wrecking ball for them until the day he hangs it up (or takes another drink, or sours on their front office.) And the Chiefs got two very good players (one in which will anchor the O Line for years to come IMHO.) and cap space.
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01-04-2009, 07:31 PM	#9
triple Stop saying &quot;This.&quot; Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	we went from 4-12 to 2-14. in exchange we got three draft picks that look to translate at least into a franchise left tackle. plus, i guess you could say we saved the $75 million of salary that the Vikings have wrapped up in him
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01-04-2009, 07:33 PM	#10
Davechief Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: West Liberty, IA Casino cash: $9984905	I think both sides came out Ok on the deal. Jared is in a much better immediate situation, but still hasn't won a playoff game.
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01-04-2009, 07:38 PM	#12
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01-04-2009, 08:00 PM	#14
macdawg Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Vikings win easily. Chiefs won 2 games and set an NFL record for worst pass rush in football history. Of course Jared was bickering he was dealing with Carl and playing for one of the worst teams with no end in sight. Vikes went from 8-8 to 10-6 and to a playoff appearance. Only time will tell for sure and I hope the Chiefs hit on those picks, Albert so far is the only pick I like.
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