Eric Berry

[Titty Meat]

We know what it's going to cost to keep him. Question is he worth the money? Has this defense missed him?

I think there's a noticeable difference without Berry against the run. The pass defense looks similar though.

For a team in cap trouble I don't think Berry is a must re-sign guy.

[MTG#10]

Oh well, we still have him locked up for next season at least. His is the only authentic jersey Ive ever purchased, I'll be slightly upset if he doesn't retire a Chief.

[ThaVirus]

We definitely miss his presence in the run game but id say our ineptness on that front has more to do with missing Devito and DJ than Berry. Plus, I don't want my All-Pro, 200 pound safety just signed to a healthy contract playing in the box.

Laz is right; he needs to go straight to FS when he gets back. Give him the opportunity to showcase his playmaking talents as a center fielder. If he shines, keep his ass and pay him a little less than what Earl Thomas just got (which would actually lower his cap hit if I'm not mistaken). If he doesn't do very well, he's got to be the odd man out with Houston and Poe needing new deals soon.

[Snapplez]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

We made him the highest paid safety in the league when we drafted him at the top of the 1st round.

Yup. There's been speculation by posters that his salary and cap hits will actually go down if he's re-signed as he should be.

[TambaBerry]

His hit will be about the same. 7-9 million for his position and caliber of player.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

They need to move him to FS and let him make plays on the backend. Abdullah is more than adequate in Berry's old role.

Our lack of run defense says otherwise. There's times when i thought, "man, Berry woulda shot that gap and blown that play up" like he's done so many times before.

I was all aboard the "Berry to FS" train, but then i realized that playing FS would completely remove him from a a lot of plays around the LoS, and for some plays, completely make him a non factor.

The more i think about it, the more i want him to play SS. His ability to play run defense, blitz, and fill a gap be might be too good to pass up.

I have a strong feeling that once Berry comes back and is moved to FS that he's going to to dissapear in games and the idiots here (such as yourself) will be claiming that he's "lost it" and isn't worth the contract.

The more i think about it, the more i think that the Chiefs had it right in keeping him at SS. It seems to be more suited for him, and moving him to FS essentially means that there will be games in which we hardly notice him since he'll be playing so far away from the LoS.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

3 full seasons and only 3 probowls and 1 all pro nod.

Totally need to get rid of this guy.

This is why we can't have nice things.

seriously


amazing...'build through the draft!'....'don't resign young multi-year probowl safety'

[RealSNR]

Poe and Houston are more important to keep around, I'd say.

If you can figure out a way to keep Berry too, then great. If not, it's a pretty big loss, but I'd say the other two players are just more important.

It's possible to move forward without Berry, assuming John Dorsey can be that talent evaluator everybody told us he is when we brought him aboard.

[ModSocks]

Think about it, if he's playing single high safety most of the time, then he's not going to be involved and around most plays that occur. We're not going to see him making hte plays that we're so use to seeing because he simply won't be there to make those plays.

Do we REALLY want that?

On top of that, imma have to listen to some of you morAns talk about how he doesn't have it anymore etc.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Think about it, if he's playing single high safety most of the time, then he's not going to be involved and around most plays that occur. We're not going to see him making hte plays that we're so use to seeing because he simply won't be there to make those plays.

Do we REALLY want that?

On top of that, imma have to listen to some of you morAns talk about how he doesn't have it anymore etc.

You make a good point but what you'd hope for is an equal trade off of plays made in pass break ups, INTs, and deep balls that aren't even attempted because the QB sees him in prime position to make a play.

Know what I mean?

So what I'm thinking is you lose out on his 2 sacks and handful of tackles for loss but are rewarded with more INTs, incompletions, and a defense that gives up less big plays while also prolonging the career of a star player.

I love the plays he makes in the box but he's only like 205. I'm thinking we'd see a pretty sharp decline in his play around the time he turned 29 if we continue to play him in the physical role we have been..

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Jimmya

Berry has found his way of KC with this lingering injury.

I found my way of KC before, but it wasn't due to injury.

[OldSchool]

If Berry is as instinctive as people think he is, he should still be able to help with run support while primarily playing deep in the secondary.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You make a good point but what you'd hope for is an equal trade off of plays made in pass break ups, INTs, and deep balls that aren't even attempted because the QB sees him in prime position to make a play.

Know what I mean?

So what I'm thinking is you lose out on his 2 sacks, and handful of tackles for loss but are rewarded with more INTs, incompletions, and a defense that gives up less big plays while also prolonging the career of a star player.

I love the plays he makes in the box but he's only like 205. I'm thinking we'd see a pretty sharp decline in his play around the time he turned 29 if we continue to play him in the physical role we have been..

I understand your concern about his weight, but i don't think we'll see an equal trade off. I think Berry brings far too much around the LoS and that there is no way we would see an equal trade. As it is, FS doesn't seem to be the gigantic hole that it use to be, so how much MORE production will we actually get, and do we even need more production at that position?

The interception numbers won't be there simply because if he's doing his job, the QB won't throw the ball.

Also, the loss of DJ makes Berry's play around the LoS that much more valuable. Our run defense is just plain awful at the moment simply because we're missing our two best ILB's.

Essentially, what we'd be doing is taking our most versatile and best players around the LoS and moving him as far away from the LoS as possible. That just doesn't sound like a good idea to me anymore.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

If Berry is as instinctive as people think he is, he should still be able to help with run support while primarily playing deep in the secondary.

Instincts won't make him super man. Sure, im sure he can run from the back end of the D up to the front 7, but by the time he gets there the back will have already gained a few yards, negating the effectivness that Berry would've had if he were around the LoS.

He's an all pro player, not superman. It's not realistic to expect him to come from the deepest position on the D and still make the same kind of plays.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

He and DJ are as good as gone. And u think Houston will join them.

They are both gone, but I think they will keep Tamba on a 2 yr deal after an initial cut. JMJ looks solid at ILB. Keep him and draft another kid to compete next to him.

Abdullah is basically as good if not better than Berry and we haven't missed Berry at all.
Trading Berry for a 1st or 2nd wouldn't bother me.

This upcoming draft could help us out so much.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Abdullah is basically as good if not better than Berry

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