"Obesity is a disease not a decision"

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

Sorry but you are conflating two different things. Obesity can be a choice and still be a disease. If a smoker gets lung cancer, is it not a disease in their case because they chose to smoke? Does someone who tans everyday and gets skin cancer not have a disease? Why is Type 2 Diabetes, which is the result of obesity, a disease but obesity isn't?

I don't know whether obesity should be classified as a disease or not, I just think your argument is horseshit.

Over-eating causes obesity (a condition) which causes diseases (like heart disease and diabetes).

This is the same line of shit they pull with alcoholism. Alcoholism is not a disease. It's a self inflicted condition created by the choices that person has made. Obesity is a self inflicted condition that raises your chance of all kinds of diseases, but people are not simply 'stricken' with obesity unless they have a legit medical condition (as some do).

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

I don't know whether obesity should be classified as a disease or not, I just think your argument is horseshit.

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Over-eating causes obesity (a condition) which causes diseases (like heart disease and diabetes).

See above. Obesity is a condition, not a disease. Obesity leads to other diseases.

Perfectly said, WhiteWhale.

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Over-eating causes obesity (a condition) which causes diseases (like heart disease and diabetes).

This is the same line of shit they pull with alcoholism. Alcoholism is not a disease. It's a self inflicted condition created by the choices that person has made. Obesity is a self inflicted condition that raises your chance of all kinds of diseases, but people are not simply 'stricken' with obesity unless they have a legit medical condition (as some do).

This is why I am not sure that it is a disease. If you take the line that addiction is a disease, then you could even say that obesity is just a symptom. My point is that you can't argue that something isn't a disease because it is the result of choice.

[houstonwhodat]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

This is why I am not sure that it is a disease. If you take the line that addiction is a disease, then you could even say that obesity is just a symptom. My point is that you can't argue that something isn't a disease because it is the result of choice.

This.

People who are obese are not necessarily lazy.

They have addiction problems. Same as alcohol.

Alcoholism and Obesity are symptoms of the disease and the disease is addiction.

You can be addicted to anything some without negative consequences.

You can be addicted to work, working out, sex, chocolate, food, alcohol, etc.

Anorexia is a symptom of of the disease of addiction. The addiction of wanting to be thin at all costs.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat

This.

People who are obese are not necessarily lazy.

They have addiction problems. Same as alcohol.

Alcoholism and Obesity are symptoms of the disease and the disease is addiction.

You can be addicted to anything some without negative consequences.

You can be addicted to work, working out, sex, chocolate, food, alcohol, etc.

Anorexia is a symptom of of the disease of addiction. The addiction of wanting to be thin at all costs.

You're fat, aren't you?

Am I addicted to exercise because I go 3-4x a week and eat healthy and like to look good with my shirt off?

The "I can be addicted to anything" is a tiresome argument.

[houstonwhodat]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You're fat, aren't you?

Am I addicted to exercise because I go 3-4x a week and eat healthy and like to look good with my shirt off?

The "I can be addicted to anything" is a tiresome argument.

So you like guys with their shirt off?

I knew it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You're fat, aren't you?

Am I addicted to exercise because I go 3-4x a week and eat healthy and like to look good with my shirt off?

The "I can be addicted to anything" is a tiresome argument.

Narcissism isn't a disease.

But it can lead to douchebaggery.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by TrueFanDave

Narcissism isn't a disease.

But it can lead to douchebaggery.

I love how fat people point the finger of narcissism for those who care about their appearance. Like that is some sort of bad thing. I like working out but there are plenty of days I would like to skip the gym, but I don't. I have honestly never been depressed a day in my life and I think working out consistently plays a large role in that and the fact I am comfortable with myself, inside and out.

Always enough haters to go around I suppose. Thanks Dave!

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I love how fat people point the finger of narcissism for those who care about their appearance. Like that is some sort of bad thing. I like working out but there are plenty of days I would like to skip the gym, but I don't. I have honestly never been depressed a day in my life and I think working out consistently plays a large role in that and the fact I am comfortable with myself, inside and out.

Always enough haters to go around I suppose. Thanks Dave!

I was just being funny. Thought that was obvious. Way to be a bitch about it though.

[Rasputin]

I'm not fat, but I could lose about 10 pounds to be at my ideal healthy weight.


The problem I have is I try to buy healthy food at the groc. store but it seems more expensive than buying what gets us by. "Healthy Choice" say is more expensive than "Banquet" food products. That is just an example. Diet food cost more than regular foods. So I know "Healthy Choice" or "Smart Choice" brands are good for me but I chose "Banquet" product because it is cheaper and on a budget.

That is an example of what I think is part of the problem & no one really brings up the cost of diet food vs regular foods.


Hamburger & other meats cost more with less fat content. I don't pay much attention except the cost of the product if I can afford it.

These are issues I think America has & part of why people get so fat.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Over-eating causes obesity (a condition) which causes diseases (like heart disease and diabetes).

This is the same line of shit they pull with alcoholism. Alcoholism is not a disease. It's a self inflicted condition created by the choices that person has made. Obesity is a self inflicted condition that raises your chance of all kinds of diseases, but people are not simply 'stricken' with obesity unless they have a legit medical condition (as some do).

Not true. I know a lot of people that over eat but are not over weight. I know a lot of people that watch what they eat and are very careful because they can gain weight easily. There are too many variables to say that.

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Not true. I know a lot of people that over eat but are not over weight. I know a lot of people that watch what they eat and are very careful because they can gain weight easily. There are too many variables to say that.

Sorry but this is an excuse people make. Metabolism doesn't have nearly the impact on weight that people imagine, but the effect that it does have can be boosted by exercising. If you have a poor metabolism, you can change that.

Weight loss/gain really isn't some mystery, its physics. Calories in, calories out. Your body isn't cheating you, but you might be underestimating how much you eat or overestimating the amount of calories you are burning.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Not true. I know a lot of people that over eat but are not over weight. I know a lot of people that watch what they eat and are very careful because they can gain weight easily. There are too many variables to say that.

If you put in more than you take out, then you are over-eating. I 'over-eat' if one simply looks at volume (4000+ calories per day) but I also am very active and that means I require more calories to function.

Nobody can 'over-eat' and not get fat... because they are obviously burning more calories than they are putting in their bodies. Genetics plays a role, but that doesn't mean people are diseased because some food causes them to gain weight faster than myself. IF that's the case all mexicans are diseased because a lot of american style foods (with lots of cheese) makes them fat. I think that's probably bullshit.

Pay attention to your body and how it reacts to certain foods.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Not true. I know a lot of people that over eat but are not over weight. I know a lot of people that watch what they eat and are very careful because they can gain weight easily. There are too many variables to say that.

I once at 5,000 calories a day when I was Olympic lifting and didn't gain a single pound. I weighed 190lbs at the time, not fat. I was "over eating" like a mother ****er, fast food almost every night just to get calories.

I didn't gain a single pound so technically I was not over-eating like you would claim. Metabolism is influenced by exercise. Want to eat what you currently are but not gain weight...burn more calories and increase your resting metabolism.

The people who you say are over-eating probably have increased their metabolism and thus get to eat more than your fat/sedentary friends who watch what they eat.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Over-eating causes obesity (a condition) which causes diseases (like heart disease and diabetes).

This is the same line of shit they pull with alcoholism. Alcoholism is not a disease. It's a self inflicted condition created by the choices that person has made. Obesity is a self inflicted condition that raises your chance of all kinds of diseases, but people are not simply 'stricken' with obesity unless they have a legit medical condition (as some do).

At some point the alcoholic no longer has a choice whether they drink or not. Their brain is wired differently such that the decision making pathways are bypassed. This is a medical fact. Can they recover? Yes with treatment. But it is very unlikely for them to get better through will power. Sounds like a disease to me.

Food triggers the same pleasure centers that alcohol does. To the same extent to where the brain gets rewired? I don't know. I do know that if we had less obesity, we'd be better off as a society. If that means making treatment more available and calling it a disease to get more medical attention focused on it, I don't see the problem with it.