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Old 04-14-2014, 08:42 PM   #1
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Another reason we might be looking at the big WR's is because in the WCO that Reid runs it's a nice benefit to have big guys like Bowe to block out DB's on that cross routes/short routes.
That's a big reason why Alex Smith trusted Bowe later on IMO. His TE's in SF gave him that huge benefit.

Here's a great example.

It's really ****ing hard for DB's to defend against these guys on plays like this, that we run a lot of in this system.

This is why they LOVE Mike Evans IMO. Too bad he is out of our reach.
Bowe did well late in the year because they lined him up in the slot in 11 personnel or motioned him inside where he can use his body to guard against defenders in the middle of the field (also easier for him to get open by design since he's not a polished route runner who can create separation on his own). The body type is not too big of a deal at split end or even flanker where our true #1 will be lining up. Just need someone fluid on the outside. I'm not a fan of the little dude receivers but not a fan of the big lumbering ones like Coleman/Evans either. They should pick someone up around the same size as Bowe (6'1-6'2) like Moncrief.
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Old 04-14-2014, 08:25 AM   #2
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And I think that Moncrief goes above Beckham with those non-limiters as Beckham does Cooks.

Those limiters being size, arm length, verticality, speed, blocking ability, etc.

All three are exceptionally solid WR prospects, run solid routes, do the little things, but when you consider that:

Cooks: 5'10", 189 lbs., 30 3/4" arms, 9 5/8" hands, 4.33 40, 36.0" vert, 120" broad
Beckham: 5'11", 195 lbs., 32 3/4" arms, 10" hands, 4.43 40, 38.5" vert, 122" broad
Moncrief: 6'2 1/2", 221 lbs., 32 3/8" arms, 9 1/8" hands, 4.40 40, 39.5" vert, 132" broad

Beckham is bigger than Cooks with better explosiveness, Moncrief is bigger than Beckham with more explosiveness.

All three run great routes. All three block well. All three jet off the line.

What's the difference? What's the "limitations" on one versus the other?

All things being relatively equal, I take the guy who's 6'2 1/2", 221 lbs., versus the 5'10", 189 lb. guy because he's going to be able to be more physical, take more punishment, be more effective in blocking, etc.
I agree I'd also take the bigger guy IF I were taking a wr in round 1. But I hope we go D in the first and 3rd. Our D lost us way more games than out O did.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:27 PM   #3
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There are, but not many.

I think he could struggle against the press, which isn't something he can learn, but I think Beckham has a legit chance to be a #1 guy. Cooks does as well, I just think Beckham has more.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:29 PM   #4
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Because he's never seen the press before?

Beckham wasn't consistent all season like Cooks was.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:35 PM   #5
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Because he's never seen the press before?

Beckham wasn't consistent all season like Cooks was.
He struggled against it at times though.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:43 PM   #6
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He struggled against it at times though.
So then I guess we should be worried about Beckham because he's straight disappeared in games before.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:52 PM   #7
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So then I guess we should be worried about Beckham because he's straight disappeared in games before.
Depends.

You would want to know why he disappeared. Was he just not getting balls his way? Was he not getting open?
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:34 PM   #8
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What's with being so emotional about it?
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What's with being so emotional about it?
This directed at me?

It's not emotion. It's a discussion.
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No offense meant to you or anyone else who posts or makes mocks, we gotta have SOMETHING to talk about during these football doldrums... but I'm just flat SICK of seeing them at this point, lets get the real one underway pronto.
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No offense meant to you or anyone else who posts or makes mocks, we gotta have SOMETHING to talk about during these football doldrums... but I'm just flat SICK of seeing them at this point, lets get the real one underway pronto.
Goodell took your request under consideration and decided to delay the draft a full 2 weeks later.
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Goodell took your request under consideration and decided to delay the draft a full 2 weeks later.
I will murder him in his own home...
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Honestly, I'd rather have Cooks or Beckham over Mike Evans.
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Honestly, I'd rather have Cooks or Beckham over Mike Evans.
In this type of offense, I agree.

However puttin Evans opposite say Megatron? Sign me up
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