Chiefs Will a blackout work? - Mellinger - Page 4

Jive Ass · 11-15-2012, 02:53 PM

Something to think about is that this is a first occasion for the event. Even if SOC can't get the word to tens of thousands of fans this time around, the word will spread to those who want to be involved via this first attempt. Even if it never amounts to making a huge dent in the amount of red, the symbolic meaning is what matters, here.

All in all, it's just another effort to speak out. Whether it's popular not is to be seen, but its contribution to the whole matters for the movement.

Mr_Tomahawk · 11-15-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

A fire Pioli chat would be way more damming to the franchise.

Yup.

**wazu** · 11-15-2012, 03:13 PM

I think there will be a noticeable amount of black. Everybody knows about it. This town likes to get rowdy at sports events through grassroots efforts. If you've been to a game this year and heard the thundering boos, you have to think we've got a chance to get noticed.

memyselfI · 11-15-2012, 03:16 PM

FWIW, I work at a place where Chiefs merchandise is sold. Nothing Chiefs is selling these days but this week if it's selling it's black.

11-15-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

FWIW, I work at a place where Chiefs merchandise is sold. Nothing Chiefs is selling these days but this week if it's selling it's black.

That's encouraging. Thanks.

Brooklyn · 11-15-2012, 03:24 PM

here is some food for thought. I live in New York City, obviously Brooklyn to be specific. I'm the guy who started "Sell the Knicks" in 2006 when Isiah Thomas was going apeshit and they fired Larry Brown. Before the advent of Twitter, and facebook I did what I could to get the word around about the movement. We definitely had a lot of followers and press. I had articles in the NY Daily News, NY Post, Newsday, and actually even the NY Times. Sell the Knicks was featured on SportsCenter as well as an episode of PTI with Wilbon and Kornheiser.

The height of the movement came when the Knicks' owner, James Dolan, shut down our t-shirt manufacturing citing intellectual property and threatened to sue. This is where a lot of the major media jumped all over him and got us a lot of publicity. Now remember, this is in NYC and pretty much every single Knicks fan was against Dolan/Isiah at the time. There was no divide, save for the people who thought it was pointless or a mechanism to sell t-shirts. Opinion-wise, everyone was pretty much on board with ousting those two clowns, even if they hated Larry Brown at the time. This is a big population.

The big event was supposed to be the NBA Draft. I organized a pre-game party at a local bar where there were drink specials and tons of free food. TV networks, reporters, and all that crap showed up, similar to the experience SoC has had to date. The plan was we would march from the bar about 10-15 blocks to MSG where the draft was being held. Despite us having followers in the high hundreds supposedly attending, maybe 25 people showed up. By the time we got to MSG we had collected another 20 or so in the rally. Granted, this all happened on a weeknight and started at like 4PM, but the turnout was poor compared to our expectations based on online comments.

I still feel like we made a decent attempt to get our voices heard, and I believe they took notice since they sent a cease and disist. It probably came standard from the legal department though, and didn't make a dent. The air definitely came out of the balloon and things sort of went away shortly after. Dolan was/is still terrorizing the Knicks until he finally hired Donnie Walsh in 2008.

I have no clue if you guys will have better luck given that its a weekend, people were already planning to go to the game, there are better means to get the word out, etc. I hope it goes well and I can see all black on TV when I watch. I will say though that its been my experience that people talk a good game on the Internet but are generally afraid to show up in person.

God of Thunder · 11-15-2012, 04:43 PM

I feel like all in all, it's been a huge waste of time/money. No matter what SOC does, it will no influence whether or not Clark fires Pioli.....

I guarantee you when Clark see's the stadium empty in the 3rd quarter, he knows fans aren't happy with how things are done.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-15-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by God of Thunder

I feel like all in all, it's been a huge waste of time/money. No matter what SOC does, it will no influence whether or not Clark fires Pioli.....

I guarantee you when Clark see's the stadium empty in the 3rd quarter, he knows fans aren't happy with how things are done.

This has been happening for years. I don't know why people keep insisting that not showing up to games sends any kind of message. This sends a message to the front office that we're bandwagon fans and that we'll run back as soon as we start winning again.

That happened under Peterson. It won't happen for Pioli. People learned to tolerate miserable under Peterson, but with Pioli, it's personal because he's so damn arrogant about how right he is.

Mr. Laz · 11-15-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This has been happening for years. I don't know why people keep insisting that not showing up to games sends any kind of message. This sends a message to the front office that we're bandwagon fans and that we'll run back as soon as we start winning again.

That happened under Peterson. It won't happen for Pioli. People learned to tolerate miserable under Peterson, but with Pioli, it's personal because he's so damn arrogant about how right he is.

which tells them they better change things

The fans have never actually stopped giving the Hunts their money. They might leave early but that doesn't mean shit. It just means they get to close/clean early. The Hunt already have your ticket and parking money.

The fans just can't stop tailgating.

If they ever did REALLY stop going the Hunts would notice immediately.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-15-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

which tells them they better change things

The fans have never actually stopped giving the Hunts their money. They might leave early but that doesn't mean shit. It just means they get to close/clean early. The Hunt already have your ticket and parking money.

The fans just can't stop tailgating.

If they ever did REALLY stop going the Hunts would notice immediately.

I don't agree with this. Again, if the Chiefs start winning again, true fans will come back to the stadium. It's a sad reality. That's why I like the blackout idea. Think it sends a very different message, that we're not just dissatisfied because we're losing. We're dissatisfied because we're educated fans who know that this losing isn't just going to turn around unless some major changes are made up top.

NJChiefsFan · 11-15-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by God of Thunder

I feel like all in all, it's been a huge waste of time/money. No matter what SOC does, it will no influence whether or not Clark fires Pioli.....

I guarantee you when Clark see's the stadium empty in the 3rd quarter, he knows fans aren't happy with how things are done.

Its an average of like $15 per person. Not sure how big a waste that is. Not to mention that it has taken our energy of anger into another outlet. If nothing else it has been a good therapy for some of us. That being said, I do think its had an impact.

At the very least it has helped push the KC media and they do also help wake the rest of the fan base up. Eventually that leads to an angrier fan base, and something Clark will care about since the past 5 years has shown that poor performance means an empty stadium.

**Bugeater** · 11-15-2012, 04:55 PM

I'm not sure there's any correlation between not finding people willing to pass out the flyers and the number of people willing to wear black. I think the reason he's having trouble finding volunteers is because no one who is going to the game is going to want to give up precious tailgating time to pass out flyers.

**bevischief** · 11-15-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

I'm not sure there's any correlation between not finding people willing to pass out the flyers and the number of people willing to wear black. I think the reason he's having trouble finding volunteers is because no one who is going to the game is going to want to give up precious tailgating time to pass out flyers.

Go tailgate during the first half then leave. That's what I would if I lived closer.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-15-2012, 05:49 PM

If it was a white out it would garner more support. Go Eachus! Boo Bowe!

Sorter · 11-15-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

If it was a white out it would garner more support. Go Eachus! Boo Bowe!

11-15-2012, 02:53 PM	#1
Jive Ass Livin' in the Pacer Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $6276499	Something to think about is that this is a first occasion for the event. Even if SOC can't get the word to tens of thousands of fans this time around, the word will spread to those who want to be involved via this first attempt. Even if it never amounts to making a huge dent in the amount of red, the symbolic meaning is what matters, here. All in all, it's just another effort to speak out. Whether it's popular not is to be seen, but its contribution to the whole matters for the movement.
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11-15-2012, 03:13 PM	#3
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $2012295 VARSITY	I think there will be a noticeable amount of black. Everybody knows about it. This town likes to get rowdy at sports events through grassroots efforts. If you've been to a game this year and heard the thundering boos, you have to think we've got a chance to get noticed.
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11-15-2012, 03:16 PM	#4
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11-15-2012, 03:24 PM	#6
Brooklyn Starter Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $3319730	here is some food for thought. I live in New York City, obviously Brooklyn to be specific. I'm the guy who started "Sell the Knicks" in 2006 when Isiah Thomas was going apeshit and they fired Larry Brown. Before the advent of Twitter, and facebook I did what I could to get the word around about the movement. We definitely had a lot of followers and press. I had articles in the NY Daily News, NY Post, Newsday, and actually even the NY Times. Sell the Knicks was featured on SportsCenter as well as an episode of PTI with Wilbon and Kornheiser. The height of the movement came when the Knicks' owner, James Dolan, shut down our t-shirt manufacturing citing intellectual property and threatened to sue. This is where a lot of the major media jumped all over him and got us a lot of publicity. Now remember, this is in NYC and pretty much every single Knicks fan was against Dolan/Isiah at the time. There was no divide, save for the people who thought it was pointless or a mechanism to sell t-shirts. Opinion-wise, everyone was pretty much on board with ousting those two clowns, even if they hated Larry Brown at the time. This is a big population. The big event was supposed to be the NBA Draft. I organized a pre-game party at a local bar where there were drink specials and tons of free food. TV networks, reporters, and all that crap showed up, similar to the experience SoC has had to date. The plan was we would march from the bar about 10-15 blocks to MSG where the draft was being held. Despite us having followers in the high hundreds supposedly attending, maybe 25 people showed up. By the time we got to MSG we had collected another 20 or so in the rally. Granted, this all happened on a weeknight and started at like 4PM, but the turnout was poor compared to our expectations based on online comments. I still feel like we made a decent attempt to get our voices heard, and I believe they took notice since they sent a cease and disist. It probably came standard from the legal department though, and didn't make a dent. The air definitely came out of the balloon and things sort of went away shortly after. Dolan was/is still terrorizing the Knicks until he finally hired Donnie Walsh in 2008. I have no clue if you guys will have better luck given that its a weekend, people were already planning to go to the game, there are better means to get the word out, etc. I hope it goes well and I can see all black on TV when I watch. I will say though that its been my experience that people talk a good game on the Internet but are generally afraid to show up in person.
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11-15-2012, 04:43 PM	#7
God of Thunder Trained to reign as the one. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Casino cash: $8969344	I feel like all in all, it's been a huge waste of time/money. No matter what SOC does, it will no influence whether or not Clark fires Pioli..... I guarantee you when Clark see's the stadium empty in the 3rd quarter, he knows fans aren't happy with how things are done.
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11-15-2012, 04:55 PM	#12
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6232680	I'm not sure there's any correlation between not finding people willing to pass out the flyers and the number of people willing to wear black. I think the reason he's having trouble finding volunteers is because no one who is going to the game is going to want to give up precious tailgating time to pass out flyers.
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