Walter Rapes the Chiefs Draft - Page 6

Saccopoo · 05-18-2014, 08:31 PM

Don't agree with the Murray pick as I believe it was a complete piss away of a selection at a position that wasn't needing a pick in the first place. Murray will not even lead a team deep into the preseason, let alone the post season.

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NFL Draft Team Grade: C- Grade

Goals Entering the 2014 NFL Draft: The Chiefs are missing a second-round pick, so they want to move down more than anything. Their aim is to do so and then grab a guard like Xavier Su'a-Filo or Joel Bitonio. After that, they have to use some selections on the receiving corps and secondary. Getting some help in the front seven and on the defensive line is another goal.

2014 NFL Draft Accomplishments: I get the feeling that the Chiefs spent more time trying to trade their pick rather than deciding whom they were going take. They let the clock run down because they were desperate to move out of the No. 23 spot, but they couldn't do anything and panicked, taking Dee Ford off the board. That was a dreadful selection; not only was Ford deemed a reach by teams we've spoken to, but he didn't even fill a need. There are members of Kansas City's organization who don't even like the pick. It was that bad.

The Chiefs redeemed themselves a bit with Phillip Gaines in the third round. Gaines is a tall, athletic, talented cornerback, who could start once Brandon Flowers is dealt. Taking Aaron Murray in the fifth frame was also a solid move, but once again, Kansas City had to redeem itself because of a reach - which was De'Anthony Thomas in the previous round.

Kansas City unquestionably came away with one of the worst classes this year. It made multiple reaches and failed to address most of its glaring needs. That's not how teams are supposed to draft.

NFL Draft Individual Grades:

23. Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn: D Grade
Ugh. The Chiefs have not been drafting well in this new regime. Their class last year was Eric Fisher (who struggled), Travis Kelce, Knile Davis and Nico Johnson. They dealt this year's second for mediocre Alex Smith. And now they're taking a second-round prospect who fills a minimal need. Things are not looking very bright in Kansas City.

There's no doubt that Ford is a reach. The Chiefs could have moved down and still picked him. Ford also won't start anytime soon with Tamba Hali and Justin Houston in front of him. This is the worst pick of the first round thus far, but at least it's not on a Millen level.

87. Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice: A- Grade
There's talk that the Chiefs could trade Brandon Flowers, so it makes sense that they spent a mid-round selection on a cornerback. Phillip Gaines didn't get any national attention because he played at Rice, but he was terrific, albeit against inferior competition. He's also very athletic, so it wouldn't surprise me if he emerged as a solid starter down the road.

124. De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon: C+ Grade
Wow. This is a couple of rounds earlier than De'Anthony Thomas was expected to go, but the Oregon play-maker should be a good weapon for Alex Smith. Kansas City's quarterback can't throw deep, so he'll need another target to dump the ball off to. Thomas also serves as a needed backup for Jamaal Charles, a need created by Knile Davis' injury.

163. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia: A Grade
Nice. Alex Smith cannot lead the Chiefs deep into the playoffs, but perhaps Aaron Murray will be able to. Murray would have gone much earlier had he not torn his ACL, so Kansas City is getting a steal and perhaps its future starting quarterback. This is an awesome pick in the fifth round.

193. Zach Fulton, G, Tennessee: B Grade
It's a shock that the Chiefs waited this long for a guard, as I was told that the position was under consideration in the first round. Zach Fulton fits the range though, so no complaints.

200. Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, OT/G, McGill: A- Grade
There was some buzz about Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, and some even thought he could go as high as the fourth round. The Canadian could eventually compete for the right tackle job.

Simply Red · 06-10-2014, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

How reeruned is Walter?

Given his own draft grades and his analysis of our team needs and the 1st round, he would have given us a much higher grade if we selected Su'a Felatio instead of Dee Ford. At least a B.

Selecting a first round guard essentially for him is the difference between practically hitting the draft out of the park (almost all As and Bs) and having "unquestioningly" one of the worst drafts in the class. A first round guard. That's all the difference.

Let's go around and ask all the GMs if they'd rather have Dee Ford or Xavier Su'a Filo on their team. I think I know what 98% of them would pick.

Where is Walter?

Pasta Little Brioni · 06-11-2014, 07:05 AM

Walter football is garbage

RunKC · 06-11-2014, 02:40 PM

Phillip Gaines might take Sean Smith's job this year the way things are going.

**Dave Lane** · 06-12-2014, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Phillip Gaines might take Sean Smith's job this year the way things are going.

Smith is that bad? Wow.

TEX · 06-12-2014, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Smith is that bad? Wow.

No, but he is that dumb.

TEX · 06-12-2014, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Walter football is garbage

This. Anyone have any doubts,read some of his other "gems.:"

Chief Roundup · 06-12-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Smith is that bad? Wow.

Will Smith miss any time because of his D.W.I.?

xztop123 · 06-12-2014, 10:24 PM

IMO this is the best draft in a long time for KC.

Ford is a top 15 talent. Probably only got him because of the Bridgewater/Manziel slippage.

I've seen 2 mocks that had Phillip Gaines going in the first rd. (Gaines is likely as good as or better than Denard for the bump and go defense we run, VERY good trail technique on tape)

De' thomas was seen as the best player in the nation coming out of HS, clearly a good pick for where we got him(mccluster was top of the second rd)

Aaron Murray is obvious. one year earlier would have been a 1-2 rd pick...

And one of the 2 O-linemen we picked up will probably start eventaully.

**Dave Lane** · 06-13-2014, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by xztop123

IMO this is the best draft in a long time for KC.

Ford is a top 15 talent. Probably only got him because of the Bridgewater/Manziel slippage.

I've seen 2 mocks that had Phillip Gaines going in the first rd. (Gaines is likely as good as or better than Denard for the bump and go defense we run, VERY good trail technique on tape)

De' thomas was seen as the best player in the nation coming out of HS, clearly a good pick for where we got him(mccluster was top of the second rd)

Aaron Murray is obvious. one year earlier would have been a 1-2 rd pick...

And one of the 2 O-linemen we picked up will probably start eventaully.

I see how it is that you have all that pretty Chiefs red.

milkman · 06-14-2014, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123

IMO this is the best draft in a long time for KC.

Ford is a top 15 talent. Probably only got him because of the Bridgewater/Manziel slippage.

I've seen 2 mocks that had Phillip Gaines going in the first rd. (Gaines is likely as good as or better than Denard for the bump and go defense we run, VERY good trail technique on tape)

De' thomas was seen as the best player in the nation coming out of HS, clearly a good pick for where we got him(mccluster was top of the second rd)

Aaron Murray is obvious. one year earlier would have been a 1-2 rd pick...

And one of the 2 O-linemen we picked up will probably start eventaully.

That might be the stupidest reasoning ever.

**Dave Lane** · 06-14-2014, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That might be the stupidest reasoning ever.

Consider the poster. And all his red. Just sayin'

Sorter · 06-14-2014, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Consider the poster. And all his red. Just sayin'

Pretty much this.

**Baby Lee** · 06-15-2014, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Exactly what I got out I it. Whoever wrote this has less football knowledge than Pee Wee Herman hopped up on ecstasy and should prob stick to writing recipe reviews in Better Homes and Gardens. I saw Fors projected as a late first which is where we took him. I'd say this writer probably talked to a parking lot attendant at Arrowhead and maybe the homeless guy pandering for change in front of the stadium as his "people inside the organizatiom".

The sad fact is that would be a legitimate source in Cleveland.

**Baby Lee** · 06-15-2014, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Article in MMQB this morning that the Falcons were trying to move up into the 20s to grab Dee Ford. So much for the theory that KC could have moved down and gotten him.

Yeah but.

xztop123 · 06-22-2014, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That might be the stupidest reasoning ever.

That part wasn't very logical but the rest was I think. Thomas and Aaron Murray late made up for the second.

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xztop123 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2013 Casino cash: $3930609	IMO this is the best draft in a long time for KC. Ford is a top 15 talent. Probably only got him because of the Bridgewater/Manziel slippage. I've seen 2 mocks that had Phillip Gaines going in the first rd. (Gaines is likely as good as or better than Denard for the bump and go defense we run, VERY good trail technique on tape) De' thomas was seen as the best player in the nation coming out of HS, clearly a good pick for where we got him(mccluster was top of the second rd) Aaron Murray is obvious. one year earlier would have been a 1-2 rd pick... And one of the 2 O-linemen we picked up will probably start eventaully.
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