Greinke Brawls..breaks collarbone

[Deberg_1990]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...pitch/2076525/




The Los Angeles Dodgers won the game Thursday night against the San Diego Padres, but their pennant hopes certainly took a hit.

Dodgers starter Zack Greinke fractured his left collarbone in a bench-clearing brawl during the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the Padres at Petco Park, prompting enraged Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp to confront Padres left fielder Carlos Quentin in the clubhouse tunnel after the game.

Padres starter Clayton Richard and security guards intervened before another fight ensued.

The brawl started when Quentin was hit in the shoulder by Greinke's pitch in the sixth inning. He took several steps towards the mound with his bat, dropped it, and charged Greinke. It was the second time in four years that Greinke hit Quentin, but Quentin was intercepted by Kansas City Royals catcher Miguel Olivo and home-plate umpire Bill Hohn back on April 9, 2009, when Greinke pitched for the Royals and Quentin played for the Chicago White Sox.

This time, no one held anyone back, with Greinke, Kemp and Jerry Hairston ejected from the Dodgers, along with Quentin.

The biggest losers, of course, were the Dodgers, with Greinke sidelined for an indefinite period. He's scheduled to see Los Angles physician Neal ElAttrache on Friday. Greinke signed a six-year, $147 million free-agent contract during the winter.

"My teammate now has a broken f------ collarbone,'' Hairston told reporters. "Excuse my language, but that's unbelievable.''

Said Quentin: "It's unfortunate. It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that.

"For me, I've been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I've never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That's it.''

Quentin was most infuriated, he told reporters, by what Greinke told him after he was hit.

"That was the final straw,'' he said.

Kemp, enraged by the incident, met face to face with Quentin in the hallway after the game at Petco Park. He followed Quentin into the parking lot and saying: "We'll see, b----,'' according to the Los Angeles Times.

"That's terrible for him to charge the mound like that,'' Kemp told reporters. "I think Carlos Quentin went to Stanford. I heard there's some smart people at Stanford. That wasn't too smart.''

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Quentin shouldn't be permitted to play another game until Greinke can pitch.

"We're in a 2-1 game and on a 3-2 pitch to a guy that I see on the [score]board set a record for the Padres by getting hit, a guy who basically dives into the plate,'' Mattingly said, according to the MLB.com report. "In a 2-1 game, we're trying to hit him, 3-2?

"It's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something is wrong.''

Said Greinke: "The only thing I'm going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I've never hit him on purpose. I never thought of hitting him on purpose.''

Quentin has long been a magnet for pitches. In 2004, he set a minor league record by getting plunked 43 times, and he led the major leagues the past two seasons, getting hit 23 times in 2011 and 17 times last year, even though he played just 86 games.

Greinke told reporters he thought Quentin's umbrage in reacting to getting hit by pitches was "a ploy" to intimidate pitchers.

"I figured he was trying to intimidate pitchers so they wouldn't throw inside,' he said.

The Dodgers and Padres play again Monday, this time, in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium on Jackie Robinson Day.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I've never felt sorry for folks who crowd the plate. hell, I even said it last night against OUR team. While there are always a few exceptions, I think folks know who's doing what and why. And I'm OK with plunks as long as the plunkers have to add some skin to the game within the game.

That being said, anytime Zach gets his ass mauled, it's a good day for the planet. Never a more deserving Mamma's-boy paying-up to Karma! **** him, I hope somebody breaks his pussy-ass jaw upon his return - just for looking at him... Zach's Mom still has two tits for him to cry into (some more)!

Haha. Okay, got it. I'm not a fan of Greinke either, for the record. I don't care if he got his ass kicked. Just commenting as a baseball purist.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I've never felt sorry for folks who crowd the plate. hell, I even said it last night against OUR team. While there are always a few exceptions, I think folks know who's doing what and why. And I'm OK with plunks as long as the plunkers have to add some skin to the game within the game.

That being said, anytime Zach gets his ass mauled, it's a good day for the planet. Never a more deserving Mamma's-boy paying-up to Karma! **** him, I hope somebody breaks his pussy-ass jaw upon his return - just for looking at him... Zach's Mom still has two tits for him to cry into (some more)!

If you feel that way about Zach you were probably disappointed in how he reacted. A guy that out weighs him by 50lbs took a running start at him and Zach stepped up and took the shot full on and Quentin actually ended up on his ass grabbing Zach to pull hiim down wih him. The CB may have cracked, but Zach proved to be a bad mother ****er in that exchange. He didn't go Nolan Ryan or Farnsworth, but he didn't back down one bit where a lot of pitchers would have. Props to Zach.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

If Quentin is going to stand on top the of the plate, he should expect to get hit. And he does quite a bit too.

Grienke did nothing wrong. I would still take him on the Royals in a heartbeat.

This guy may have a habit of crowding the plate but after watching the replay no way Quentin was crowding the plate. I pitched, I know when someone crowds the plate. Any of you who thinks he was crowding the plate have no clue what it looks like.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

This guy may have a habit of crowding the plate but after watching the replay no way Quentin was crowding the plate. I pitched, I know when someone crowds the plate. Any of you who thinks he was crowding the plate have no clue what it looks like.

He wasn't crowding the plate but he also didn't make any attempt to get out of the way of a ball that wasn't thrown that far inside. He holds his elbows over the chalk.

[Bowser]

LOL, this thread is still going?

The people on here clamoring that this is all Grienke's fault have a problem with Grienke. It's as simple as that.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

This guy may have a habit of crowding the plate but after watching the replay no way Quentin was crowding the plate. I pitched, I know when someone crowds the plate. Any of you who thinks he was crowding the plate have no clue what it looks like.

His elbow and forearm are clearly hanging over the plate. The pitch was only about 4 to 6 inches inside. He made no attempt to get out of the way. Quentin is hit more than any other player in the league. If you crowd the plate like you say he has a habit of, you do it every at bat. Hitters don't change their position in the box on an at bat basis.

Just because you pitched in your men's over 40 softball league doesn't mean you know what the **** you're talking about.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by jd1020

He wasn't crowding the plate but he also didn't make any attempt to get out of the way of a ball that wasn't thrown that far inside. He holds his elbows over the chalk.

Nothing personal here but

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Nothing personal here but

Are you saying he doesnt? You're an idiot, then.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

This guy may have a habit of crowding the plate but after watching the replay no way Quentin was crowding the plate. I pitched, I know when someone crowds the plate. Any of you who thinks he was crowding the plate have no clue what it looks like.

His elbow was even with the batters box and his hands were outside of the box. By the time the pitch was on its way, Quentin's front shoulder is even with the front of the box.

He was crowding the plate, just like he always does. And he made no effort to avoid getting hit, just like he always does.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Nothing personal here but

Come on now. There is a reason he wears that elbow armor - to take pitches and get on base.

[Richard_Cuckold]

Baseball players are such pansies. How the hell did that guy break his collarbone in that brawl???

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

His elbow and forearm are clearly hanging over the plate. The pitch was only about 4 to 6 inches inside. He made no attempt to get out of the way. Quentin is hit more than any other player in the league. If you crowd the plate like you say he has a habit of, you do it every at bat. Hitters don't change their position in the box on an at bat basis.

Just because you pitched in your men's over 40 softball league doesn't mean you know what the **** you're talking about.

Then you my friend have no clue what crowding the plate looks like. No way his elbow and forearm are hanging over the plate or even over the chalk as jd said prior to the pitch. Total exaggeration. His stance is in the middle of the box. Regardless of reputation in this instance he was not crowding. The batter has every right not to move out of the way of a pitch(especially when he is not crowding) regardless of his motivation whether he was just being just a douche looking for an excuse to charge the mound or actually taking an easy base. Show me the rule that say's he must make an attempt to move out of the way of a pitch please? Regardless of reputation and the fact many on this board do not like him for various reasons he did nothing wrong except charge the mound at the wrong crucial time of the game.

[DJJasonp]

. [/U][/I]Show me the rule that say's he must make an attempt to move out of the way of a pitch please? Regardless of reputation and the fact many on this board do not like him for various reasons he did nothing wrong except charge the mound at the wrong crucial time of the game.[/QUOTE]



Per baseball official rule 6.08(b), a batter becomes a baserunner and is awarded first base when he or his equipment (except for his bat):
is touched by a pitched ball outside of the strike zone,
and he attempts to avoid it (or had no opportunity to avoid it),
and he did not swing at the pitch.[1]

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Come on now. There is a reason he wears that elbow armor - to take pitches and get on base.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

His elbow was even with the batters box and his hands were outside of the box. By the time the pitch was on its way, Quentin's front shoulder is even with the front of the box.

He was crowding the plate, just like he always does. And he made no effort to avoid getting hit, just like he always does.

Originally Posted by jd1020

Are you saying he doesnt? You're an idiot, then.

We may have a generational old school gap here in defining what is crowding the plate then. Please give me your definition of what crowding the plate means to you.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Then you my friend have no clue what crowding the plate looks like. No way his elbow and forearm are hanging over the plate or even over the chalk as jd said prior to the pitch. Total exaggeration. His stance is in the middle of the box. Regardless of reputation in this instance he was not crowding. The batter has every right not to move out of the way of a pitch(especially when he is not crowding) regardless of his motivation whether he was just being just a douche looking for an excuse to charge the mound or actually taking an easy base. Show me the rule that say's he must make an attempt to move out of the way of a pitch please? Regardless of reputation and the fact many on this board do not like him for various reasons he did nothing wrong except charge the mound at the wrong crucial time of the game.

Rule 6.08 deals with the batter being awarded first base. I've started at 6.08(b). The hitter is awarded first base if...

(b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless
(1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or
(2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;
If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.