Chiefs defense this year. What do you expect?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

Todd Haley took a different approach to the shortened traing camp from every other coach in the league, a more relaxed, almost OTA style approach, in an effort to minimize injuries going into the season.

The end result was a team that was ill prepared to start the season, and that team paid for that mistake.

What really stood out to me this past season was the enormous change in preparedness, intensity and professionalism when Romeo Crennel and Kyle Orton took over the team.

The team was focused and determined, something I hadn't seen from a Chiefs team since early 2010, especially the offense. Even with a severely depleted roster, Crennel was somehow able to get more out of this team than Todd Haley did in the three plus years he served as head coach.

I could be completely off-base and it's way, way too early to make any kind of solid prediction, especially because no one knows how Berry, Charles and Moeaki will respond to their off-season surgeries, but I am very optimistic about the 2012 season.

7-9 would be a major disappointment, IMO. If this team is healthy, I think a playoff win is likely, even with Cassel at the helm. They're just loaded at talent at nearly every position and young players like Allen, Poe and Menzie may surpass the veterans ahead of them earlier than some might expect.

And the defense could be special.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I could be completely off-base and it's way, way too early to make any kind of solid prediction, especially because no one knows how Berry, Charles and Moeaki will respond to their off-season surgeries, but I am very optimistic about the 2012 season.

7-9 would be a major disappointment, IMO. If this team is healthy, I think a playoff win is likely, even with Cassel at the helm. They're just loaded at talent at nearly every position and young players like Allen, Poe and Menzie may surpass the veterans ahead of them earlier than some might expect.

And the defense could be special.

Hey. This is optimism. Its not permitted here.



I say 10 wins.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dave

Hey. This is optimism. Its not permitted here.



I say 10 wins.

If (and I realize that it's a big if), Charles, Moeaki and Berry return to form during training camp, Houston and Baldwin make the next step, Menzie is equal to or greater than Lewis and Daboll "coaches up" Cassel, this could be a 12 win team.

I expect this defense, especially around mid-season, to be in beast mode. There's SO much talent and I think Romeo will have them focused and playing hard from Game One.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chronic

It's all good man

Not trolling- just making a point

I'd also like to point out a very telling stat

Are you aware?? That in the last 5 years from 2007-2011

The Chiefs have only beaten 3 teams that finished over .500??

Are you aware of that fact that since 2007, in a QB driven league, this team has trotted out absolute garbage at QB?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What really stood out to me this past season was the enormous change in preparedness, intensity and professionalism when Romeo Crennel and Kyle Orton took over the team.

The team was focused and determined, something I hadn't seen from a Chiefs team since early 2010, especially the offense. Even with a severely depleted roster, Crennel was somehow able to get more out of this team than Todd Haley did in the three plus years he served as head coach.

I could be completely off-base and it's way, way too early to make any kind of solid prediction, especially because no one knows how Berry, Charles and Moeaki will respond to their off-season surgeries, but I am very optimistic about the 2012 season.

7-9 would be a major disappointment, IMO. If this team is healthy, I think a playoff win is likely, even with Cassel at the helm. They're just loaded at talent at nearly every position and young players like Allen, Poe and Menzie may surpass the veterans ahead of them earlier than some might expect.

And the defense could be special.

I believe this team has the talent to compete with any team in the league.

I also belive that Romeo Crennel is better prepared, and more organized overall than Todd Haley, but he also has some issues with strategy at crucial times that could hurt this team.

I also believe in close games, when it is time for the QB to step up and make plays, we are going into a gunfight with a water pistol.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

I also believe in close games, when it is time for the QB to step up and make plays, we are going into a gunfight with a water pistol.

Well, you got me there!

We've all discussed Cassel's inadequacies for years, so it really doesn't bear repeating. But Daboll did a fine job last year, especially at about game 6 or so with a similarly limited QB, so all we can hope for is a similar performance from Cassel.

It's such a shame because Cassel has the work ethic, drive, determination, body and physical ability to be a top tier QB, but he's lacking the mentality and football smarts to get there.

People have said over the years "Well, if Dilfer can win a Super Bowl" without realizing he's the Anti-Cassel: Football smart, not physically gifted.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, you got me there!

We've all discussed Cassel's inadequacies for years, so it really doesn't bear repeating. But Daboll did a fine job last year, especially at about game 6 or so with a similarly limited QB, so all we can hope for is a similar performance from Cassel.

It's such a shame because Cassel has the work ethic, drive, determination, body and physical ability to be a top tier QB, but he's lacking the mentality and football smarts to get there.

People have said over the years "Well, if Dilfer can win a Super Bowl" without realizing he's the Anti-Cassel: Football smart, not physically gifted.

You can win with a physically limited QB.

You can not win with a QB that can not grasp the mental part of the game.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

You can win with a physically limited QB.

You can not win with a QB that can not grasp the mental part of the game.

Exactly.

But despite Cassel's obvious limitations, I truly believe that the 2012 Chiefs could win 12 games, IF Cassel is managed properly. Daboll showed he could effectively deal with a limited QB in 2011 and I think he and Crennel are smart enough to work around his abilities.

Plus, I really believe that Crennel will only accepts so many losses at the hands of Cassel before yanking him for good. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy, at least at this point in his career, that is going to accept defeat at the hands of his QB for too long.

[The Mayor]

Originally Posted by milkman

You can win with a physically limited QB.

You can not win with a QB that can not grasp the mental part of the game.

This is exactly right.
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[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by The Mayor

This is exactly right.
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Except that QB can only take you so far. It has to be a good mixture of both. Rodgers has both, Brady has both, The Rapist has both.

Trent Green was a physically limited QB, but he had the mental part down. That's why he wasn't a true franchise QB, he was a game manager 2.0, Flacco on meth, you get the idea.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Except that QB can only take you so far. It has to be a good mixture of both. Rodgers has both, Brady has both, The Rapist has both.

Trent Green was a physically limited QB, but he had the mental part down. That's why he wasn't a true franchise QB, he was a game manager 2.0, Flacco on meth, you get the idea.

Joe Montana wasn't physically gifted.

He was relatively small, and had a relatively weak arm.

Drew Brees also has those same limitations.

Two of the best QBs ever because they excel/led mentally.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by milkman

Are you aware of that fact that since 2007, in a QB driven league, this team has trotted out absolute garbage at QB?

^-- this, then

I believe this team has the talent to compete with any team in the league.

^--- this

You can't compete with any team in the league with absolute garbage at QB

You said it, not me....

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chronic

^-- this, then



^--- this

You can't compete with any team in the league with absolute garbage at QB

You said it, not me....

Let me clarify.

When I say this team has the talent to compete, I am talking about the overall talent on this roster.

When I say you can not win with a QB that lacks the ability to grasp the mental part of the game, I am talking about sustaining success and competing for championships.

You can win a lot of games with a superior running game and good defense.

But to win when it counts the most, you must have the QB.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by milkman

But to win when it counts the most, you must have the QB.

I'd agree

Some interesting stats

Cassell was ranked 24th in QB rating in 2011

20th in completion %

Threw 10 Td's and 9 picks in 10 games

Sacked 22 times in just 10 games

75% QB rating last year

I'm a big beliver in 3rd down conversions- when you look at all the consistant teams every year that go deep into the playoffs.. they all have something very in common

3rd down conversions- Steelers, Packers, Patriots etc..they are always in the top tier every year settling in at almost 50%

Cassell was at 35% and ranked in the lower rankings of all QB's

Having a good solid defense is important- but like you said- and you are correct- It's a QB league.. and if you dont have one... you wont win...There's an occasion anomoly like Tebow and Dilfer- but when the dust settles, usually the teams we see late in Jan or early Feb on TV are teams with the top QB's in the league-

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chronic

I'd agree

Some interesting stats

Cassell was ranked 24th in QB rating in 2011

20th in completion %

Threw 10 Td's and 9 picks in 10 games

Sacked 22 times in just 10 games

75% QB rating last year

I'm a big beliver in 3rd down conversions- when you look at all the consistant teams every year that go deep into the playoffs.. they all have something very in common

3rd down conversions- Steelers, Packers, Patriots etc..they are always in the top tier every year settling in at almost 50%

Cassell was at 35% and ranked in the lower rankings of all QB's

Having a good solid defense is important- but like you said- and you are correct- It's a QB league.. and if you dont have one... you wont win...There's an occasion anomoly like Tebow and Dilfer- but when the dust settles, usually the teams we see lat in Jan or eraly Feb on TV are teams with the top QB's in the league-

This is all new information.

In a thousand Cassel threads, and a shit load of other threads that started out as unrelated to Cassel, these stats, and other even more damning ones, have never been discussed.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by milkman

This is all new information.

In a thousand Cassel threads, and a shit load of other threads that started out as unrelated to Cassel, these stats, and other even more damning ones, have never been discussed.

You guys are bidding with monopoly money

All this talk of 12 and 13 wins and being able to compete with any team is delusional -

How do the Chiefs give up almost 100 points in 2 games last year, add a CB that led the league in penalties and banking on an over rated rookie DT gonna now all of a sudden be considered a top 5 defense??.. how is this possible especially considering they were dead last in the NFL in scoring points

Have you seen the Chiefs first 8 games? It's frekin brutal.. Falcons, Bills, Saints, Chargers, Ravens, Bucs, Raiders, Chargers again and then the Steelers

The Raiders game is in Arrowhead...

The Raiders are 5-0 the last 5 years in Arrowhead- so expecting an easy W is fantasy

I could see the Chiefs splitting with the Chargers

Seriously, I would be very surprised if the Chiefs came outta that 8 game stretch with 3 wins, I see them coming out with just 2 wins - Bucs, and Chargers, I just don't see them beating the Falcons or the Bills whom put up 43 points on the Chiefs last year and just added Mario Williams- with exactly the same team you have now except for Routt and a rookie DT

Here's another stack of monoply money.. bet away young man.. move it all to the middle of the table