My opinion of Scott Pioli will be set based on the performance of this draft class.

[Frankie]

These guys better be solid. I don't expect superstars but I expect each and everyone of them to contribute to a serious rapid surge towards being a SB contender.

I AM (as my other thread indicated) a bit concerned about this draft. I admit, part of that feeling is I expected perhaps a sexier or a more thrilling draft.

Another part is perhaps the middle eastern blood in me. It makes me a bit of a wheeler dealer in life and as such I really get excited about my favorite team engage in it. I envied Dallas under Jones and Johnson on draft days while I got frustrated with Peterson.

I expected pioli to rape some lesser GM out of their draft picks, move up and down the board and build up a cashe of future picks. While Belichick did this again, Pioli - at least it seems for now - got concervative and forced his picks (ala Carl Peterson). OK, I really didn't expect that dynamic a draft day as I realize that Belichik had more ammunition to do this with. But zero?! Nada?! Zilch?! I really liked Tyson Jackson, but he was not the only one I liked. Maybe we chould have made a trade with the Jets and if Pioli is the genius that every one says he is he could have squeezed a better deal from then than Cleveland did.

I also cannot understand why everything is forced toward a 3-4 or bust. Nothing's wrong with 4-3, especially if we already have accumulated some viable personnel for it. Why not use our picks toward improving on our 4-3 personnel and also address some glaring needs. And please don't give me the bullshit about we need EVERYTHING! That's a cop out and the first poster who plays that card will earn himself (or herself) a nice neg-rep. Fact is we seemed to run behind, throughout the draft, after our first pick. Maybe our lack of a 2nd caused that. But I do wonder if we had picked Maualuga for example with a 2nd whether we would have had a course adjustment and could have run into better prospects before they were picked ahead of us.

But those are the breaks. I am not unhappy with having the 2nd spent on Cassel. But he also better pan out big. In short, if Cassel and the rest of our draftees put my mind at ease, I'm prepared to become a Pioli groupy and bow to his genius like the rest of you are with blind faith. NOT BEFORE! If the selectees cause this team to lose even one year of recovery, I will brand Pioli another pig-headed clone of Carl Peterson who sacrificed our roster for a system. Bottom line, Pioli will be either a god of football or a total loser in my eyes after next season. No shades of gray in this for me.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

There is nothing to read. That wall of text is full of reerun.

[tooge]

Look, you wont even be able to evaluate it after this season. Next? Maybe, but you are talking about a bunch of rookies, except for Cassel. I look at this years draft under Pioli this way. Comming in, it was pretty obvious what the chiefs needed to be competitive. First, D line help, both in scheme and talent. Second, solid quarterback play. Thigpen showed he was a solid backup, that is all. Third, an O line player or two and some depth there.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by tooge

Look, you wont even be able to evaluate it after this season. Next? Maybe, but you are talking about a bunch of rookies, except for Cassel. I look at this years draft under Pioli this way. Comming in, it was pretty obvious what the chiefs needed to be competitive. First, D line help, both in scheme and talent. Second, solid quarterback play. Thigpen showed he was a solid backup, that is all. Third, an O line player or two and some depth there.

OOps.

I think they adressed the first two concerns in the draft and with the Cassel trade. They made some ground in the third area (O line) with the signing of Mike Goff, but that is only a stopgap. Rome wasn't built in a day, so maybe the rest of the O line issues are adressed in next years free agency and draft. Maybe they get lucky with the tackle they took this year and can move him inside or something. Overall though, I think they are adressing the major concerns of the team that were obvious when the new regime took over. what more can you ask?

[Red Dawg]

My opinion of him will be based on Wins and Wins alone.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Messier

So if a year from now these picks don't seem to be panning out, and I don't even know what that means, let's say Jackson is the only starter, Okay? Then it's time to state that Pioli is a bum and needs to go? He gets this year and this draft to prove himself as a GM and then it's time to go. Does the next GM get one year too?

Pretty much the spirit of my rant. Except for your last sentence. Any time a new GM comes in and does immediate "fix" to something that does not need fixing (just improving), with a "just because" attitude, he gets one year from me. Not to win the Superbowl. But to show viability. His first draft better be terrific. I'm tired of waiting and i'm not getting any younger. I've been a loyal fan of this team from age 19 and I'm well into my 50s now.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by tooge

First, D line help, both in scheme and talent.

See I disagree there. We had arguably the best player in the draft last year. I believe Tank could be a viable DT with good coaching. I'm not that sour on Tamba Hali. He had no help. All we need there is a good RE for a 4-3. There were potentially good ones in this draft through the 3rd round if we had kept the 4-3.

Originally Posted by tooge

Second, solid quarterback play. Thigpen showed he was a solid backup, that is all. Third, an O line player or two and some depth there.

I agree with your QB assessment and that's why I have been willing to accept and believe in the Cassel trade. I totally identify O-line as an area of need, especially with our new expensive QB. Our only attempt at addressing that in this draft was a doubious one at best. Is switching to 3-4 such a glaring need that out-necessitates the O-line needs?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I believe Tank could be a viable DT with good coaching. I'm not that sour on Tamba Hali. He had no help. All we need there is a good RE for a 4-3. There were potentially good ones in this draft through the 3rd round if we had kept the 4-3.

Wrong.

2-14.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Wrong.

2-14.

There's a VACANCY on the top floor, hey?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Frankie

There's a VACANCY on the top floor, hey?

Frankie, how can you expect something like what you posted in OP and call yourself sane? That's one.

Two - Pioli doesn't give a flying **** of what your opinion is of him or anything else for that matter.

Three - Pioli knows 3-4, that's what he knows to draft for. Your argument about pieces in place for 4-3 isn't very sound anyway.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by Frankie

See I disagree there. We had arguably the best player in the draft last year. I believe Tank could be a viable DT with good coaching. I'm not that sour on Tamba Hali. He had no help. All we need there is a good RE for a 4-3. There were potentially good ones in this draft through the 3rd round if we had kept the 4-3.


I agree with your QB assessment and that's why I have been willing to accept and believe in the Cassel trade. I totally identify O-line as an area of need, especially with our new expensive QB. Our only attempt at addressing that in this draft was a doubious one at best. Is switching to 3-4 such a glaring need that out-necessitates the O-line needs?

No, because if you wanted to change the GM and head coach, which everyone did, then you have to accept the philosophical changes that come with it. You knew Pioli was gonna go 3-4. He is a Parcels, Belichick disciple. I could argue that maybe we should have found a different GM then if we had the talent to run the 3-4. Fact is, the D didn't get it done last year with the talent they had and it wasn't just because of 1 pass rusher. If you remember, they got gashed at the run also. The D needed a scheme change, coordinator change, and attitude change, and now they have done that. As far as O line, what is wrong with this?
LT Albert
LG Waters
Center Rudy (cant spell is last name)
RG Goff
RT Taylor, or Rookie, or Last years rookie
Macintosh backs up Goff and Taylor. That O line is servicable for a year or two, and that is plenty of time to rebuild it. Read Gretzs site today. He has a great comparison with how new england drafted in 2001 and the chiefs drafted this year. Eerily similar. This is how Pioli does it. Build a 3-4 front seven. Then draft O line and skill players. I'd say we are right on track

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So if this class turns out to suck, but the Chiefs win the SB in 2 years, you'll still hate him.

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

Exactly.

Let's not forget the Pats went 6-10 in Bill Belichik's first year, despite all of their supposed genius. You don't build a dynasty overnight. And you also don't want to build a team like Green Bay which goes from "best young team in the NFL" one year to disaster the next.

This thing will not be built overnight...

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Frankie, how can you expect something like what you posted in OP and call yourself sane? That's one.

Two - Pioli doesn't give a flying **** of what your opinion is of him or anything else for that matter.

Three - Pioli knows 3-4, that's what he knows to draft for. Your argument about pieces in place for 4-3 isn't very sound anyway.

One - (btw you missed it) Just because questioning Pioli is sacreligious in your opinion I'm insane. that statement by itself speaks of how blurry you are.

Two - Where did I say that I'm looking for his approval of my opinion?

Three - The god of football and the savior does not know 4-3? Then how can you blindly defend him and call yourself sane?

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Pretty much the spirit of my rant. Except for your last sentence. Any time a new GM comes in and does immediate "fix" to something that does not need fixing (just improving), with a "just because" attitude, he gets one year from me. Not to win the Superbowl. But to show viability. His first draft better be terrific. I'm tired of waiting and i'm not getting any younger. I've been a loyal fan of this team from age 19 and I'm well into my 50s now.

I even agree that Pioli should be largly judged on the success of this class, but demanding that they all pan out in one year is just insane.

If Pioli is handled with this kind of knee jerk ownership, then you will be waiting for a lot longer. You might as well start rooting for the Raiders or the Redskins.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Frankie

One - (btw you missed it) Just because questioning Pioli is sacreligious in your opinion I'm insane. that statement by itself speaks of how blurry you are.

Two - Where did I say that I'm looking for his approval of my opinion?

Three - The god of football and the savior does not know 4-3? Then how can you blindly defend him and call yourself sane?

Why are you of the opinion that I don't question Pioli or that doing so is sacrilegious in my mind? Is it because I don't expect him to draft a superstar in every round? What is wrong with you, man?

And I know you're probably not finishing reading my posts in your rage, but I didn't, in fact, miss it.

[kstater]

JFC