Football The Bengals are dumbshits

Sure-Oz · 04-22-2008, 10:24 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print...557&type=story

Tuesday, April 22, 2008
Sources: Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no

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By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com

How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?

Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said.

The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

It was not the first time the Redskins approached the Bengals about a deal, but it was the first significant proposal.

The Bengals have not only rejected the Redskins, but two other NFC East suitors -- the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles -- have been informed that there has been no change in the team's position that Johnson will not be traded.

The Bengals have noted to those suitors that Johnson has been the "second-highest paid receiver" in the NFL during the past three years, indignant about suggestions that Johnson also wants a new contract, the sources said.

Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.

Mile High Mania · 04-22-2008, 10:27 AM

Not surprised that WAS made the offer... sorta surprised that they declined.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-22-2008, 10:27 AM

If there was ever any question before, this removes all doubt.

Basileus777 · 04-22-2008, 10:51 AM

Its unbelievable they would turn that down.

Sure-Oz · 04-22-2008, 10:54 AM

They make Carl and Herm look like geniouses

Reerun_KC · 04-22-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

They make Carl and Herm look like geniouses

Carl? Herm? Genious?

**Skip Towne** · 04-22-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

They make Carl and Herm look like geniouses

That takes some doing.

CanadaKC · 04-22-2008, 08:38 PM

I guess the only argument is this: If they let Chad have his way...it's like a judgement in a courtroon...it sets a dangerous precedent. Can you imagine if more and more players who previously have signed contracts, and agreed to play under those terms...then suddenly don't like the terms of the agreement...can just up and force management to go where they want to play? So forget the nfl draft, forget free agency, and watch the league crumble under the pressure more of these punk players will pull off if someone like CJ let his viper tongue strike a deal with a new team. I'm mad enough watching biatches like Elway and Eli get away with that crap on draft day...then you see idiots like TO and now Chad blaming everyone but themselves for their antics.

Hoover · 04-22-2008, 10:55 AM

I'm waiting for the we should trade DBowe to Washington for that....

jidar · 04-22-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

"There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.

That to me was the most interesting part of this story. I think it's at least a minor admission from an insider that the NFL salary cap may have become too high. I'm already afraid it's too high for the Chiefs.

Basileus777 · 04-22-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar

That to me was the most interesting part of this story. I think it's at least a minor admission from an insider that the NFL salary cap may have become too high. I'm already afraid it's too high for the Chiefs.

It is. Lets face it, the whole salary cap and draft system is broken in the NFL. The cap is so high that no team is going to exceed it right now. I'd never thought I'd see the day when the NBA did it better, but the NFL needs to fix this shit. They need implement a rookie pay scale for starts...

You'd think with the NFL players union being the weakest union in all of the major sports they could do it.

bowener · 04-22-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

It is. Lets face it, the whole salary cap and draft system is broken in the NFL. The cap is so high that no team is going to exceed it right now. I'd never thought I'd see the day when the NBA did it better, but the NFL needs to fix this shit. They need implement a rookie pay scale for starts...

You'd think with the NFL players union being the weakest union in all of the major sports they could do it.

As soon as a new Union president is in place, they will probably get a pay scale. but then things would make too much sense and move to easily if a pay scale was inacted... what would ESPN/NFLN use to drum up ratings during the offseason after the draft if they cant talk about hold outs? And wouldnt you feel sorry for all the millionaire agents who will barely be able to fuel up there 12 cars with premium gas every weekend?? And what about their mistresses, who would buy them expense meals and jewelry?

el borracho · 04-22-2008, 11:13 AM

The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

I wonder what the performance clauses read like. If the clauses were improbable I would also reject the offer as I wouldn't trade away Chad Johnson for a 1st and a future 3rd. On the flip side, if the clauses were likely to be met I would have to consider the trade more seriously.

Direckshun · 04-22-2008, 11:14 AM

Holy shit.

...

Holy shit.

Both those teams are dumb as shit.

Mile High Mania · 04-22-2008, 11:15 AM

Enh... maybe they're trying to see if a pick higher than #21 this year comes their way, and maybe the "conditional" aspect of the 2009 pick didn't interest them.

I mean... some of you want 2 R1 picks for Allen... I'd give up 2 for Ocho before I did for Allen. So, maybe they want WAS to comeback without the "conditional" term and just give them 2 R1 picks.

04-22-2008, 10:24 AM	Topic Starter
Sure-Oz Stay positive, don't give up Join Date: Dec 2001 Casino cash: $3269383	The Bengals are dumbshits http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print...557&type=story Tuesday, April 22, 2008 Sources: Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Chris Mortensen ESPN.com How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands? Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said. The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said. It was not the first time the Redskins approached the Bengals about a deal, but it was the first significant proposal. The Bengals have not only rejected the Redskins, but two other NFC East suitors -- the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles -- have been informed that there has been no change in the team's position that Johnson will not be traded. The Bengals have noted to those suitors that Johnson has been the "second-highest paid receiver" in the NFL during the past three years, indignant about suggestions that Johnson also wants a new contract, the sources said. Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days." Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.
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CanadaKC Lord of the SB Rings Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Casino cash: $6528668	I guess the only argument is this: If they let Chad have his way...it's like a judgement in a courtroon...it sets a dangerous precedent. Can you imagine if more and more players who previously have signed contracts, and agreed to play under those terms...then suddenly don't like the terms of the agreement...can just up and force management to go where they want to play? So forget the nfl draft, forget free agency, and watch the league crumble under the pressure more of these punk players will pull off if someone like CJ let his viper tongue strike a deal with a new team. I'm mad enough watching biatches like Elway and Eli get away with that crap on draft day...then you see idiots like TO and now Chad blaming everyone but themselves for their antics.
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el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $6169148	The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said. I wonder what the performance clauses read like. If the clauses were improbable I would also reject the offer as I wouldn't trade away Chad Johnson for a 1st and a future 3rd. On the flip side, if the clauses were likely to be met I would have to consider the trade more seriously.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	Holy shit. ... Holy shit. Both those teams are dumb as shit.
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3487229	Enh... maybe they're trying to see if a pick higher than #21 this year comes their way, and maybe the "conditional" aspect of the 2009 pick didn't interest them. I mean... some of you want 2 R1 picks for Allen... I'd give up 2 for Ocho before I did for Allen. So, maybe they want WAS to comeback without the "conditional" term and just give them 2 R1 picks. __________________
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