Chiefs Cassel Chronicles: The Conclusion - Page 5

**SAUTO** · 08-01-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's not even so much the stat, if you've watched him play or talk to people that have on a consistent basis his deep ball is the first thing that is brought up as something he doesn't do well.

He's just not accurate with it at all, he hit a few and missed badly with alot. No one respects your deep ball if when you throw it you miss by a huge degree.

have you done either? i have watched EVERY game from last year. most of the time moss was OVERTHROWN and appeared to be dogging it. go back run a search, i said this BEFORE the season was half over last year, BEFORE there was even ANY thought of us trading for cassel.

Mecca · 08-01-2009, 04:32 AM

Actually it's a valid concern because the talent he's playing with is vastly different.

Cassel could have a horrendous year while doing exactly what he did in NE and people will completely flip out if it happens.

I don't think any receiver the Chiefs send out will get a double team, so someone is going to have to establish themselves as someone the defense is worried about. Bowe is the likely candidate but he'll have to prove he can he's always just been singled before with Gonzalez being here.

A lot of how Cassel looks this year is going to come down to Larry Johnson, if he can atleast be good enough I think Cassel will be alright, if he's not Cassel is going to get his brains beat in behind the line.

Mecca · 08-01-2009, 04:46 AM

There are some very good WR's that did jack squat through their first 2 years. It's very early to label Bowe that way, he's still better than any WR we've had in years though all of our WR's during the Vermiel era were total balls...and the ones before that were even worse.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-01-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

After 2 years the most productive Chiefs draft pick at WR in 20 years...

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There are some very good WR's that did jack squat through their first 2 years. It's very early to label Bowe that way, he's still better than any WR we've had in years though all of our WR's during the Vermiel era were total balls...and the ones before that were even worse.

If he can just make more of those "clutch" receptions, the kind where everyone is holding their breath for when it really, really matters, I think people will get off his ass some and give him some space.

**Rausch** · 08-01-2009, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

If he can just make more of those "clutch" receptions, the kind where everyone is holding their breath for when it really, really matters, I think people will get off his ass some and give him some space.

Best EVAR in KC.

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Taylor was drafted by both the AFL (Chiefs) and NFL (Philadelphia Eagles) in 1965. After a famous "baby-sitting" incident, in which Taylor "escaped" from NFL scouts, he was signed for the Chiefs by their legendary scout Lloyd Wells. Taylor caught five touchdown passes during his rookie year, and followed that up in 1966 by leading the AFL with a 22.4 yd/catch average and finishing second in receiving yards (1,297). At season's end, he was voted First-team All-AFL and was selected for the 1966 AFL All-Star team.

I'm not going to take the time to post screen caps.

Here's Taylor: http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Ot00.htm?redir

Here's Bowe:

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2007

In his rookie season, Bowe led all first-year receivers in receptions (70), yards (995), and touchdowns (6). His reception and yardage totals set franchise records for Chiefs' rookie receivers. Bowe also set the team's single-game rookie receiving record with 164 yards against the San Diego Chargers on September 30, 2007. Bowe was in contention for the Rookie of the Year Award for his performance in 2007 (the award was eventually given to Minnesota Vikings halfback Adrian Peterson).

2008

...He went on to obtain 1,022 yards receiving and ended the season 10th in the NFL with 86 receptions (the same number of receptions Jerry Rice had in his second year, though he earned more yards.)

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-01-2009, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Best EVAR in KC.

I'm not going to take the time to post screen caps.

Here's Taylor: http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Ot00.htm?redir

Here's Bowe:

Hey, I hope he turns the corner big time this year, I really do. He's got the tools, no question.

If you can get the ball to him with precise timing, allowing him to build momentum on the intermediate and slightly longer routes, his YAC will be off the ****ing charts due to that monster frame w/speed of his.

You bring up Otis Taylor. I'd like to see him in the Hall, and I'd like to see the second coming of Mack Lee Hill on this team. All I've got is old footage and a few interviews, but I really like the way he played and carried himself.

That guy was special.

**Rausch** · 08-01-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

You bring up Otis Taylor. I'd like to see him in the Hall, and I'd like to see the second coming of Mack Lee Hill on this team. All I've got is old footage and a few interviews, but I really like the way he played and carried himself.

That guy was special.

Hey, that's who he reminds me of...

Mecca · 08-01-2009, 05:00 AM

They couldn't pass block because he is completely different than Brady. Brady would change plays and have the ball out in about 3 seconds, no one would expect Cassel to do that and they were playing a different type of offense.

With Brady it was, big plays score a lot of points QB is out best player all of that.

With Cassel it was we have talent if you do enough and don't screw up we can still win a lot of games. And it's what they should of done with a guy who hadn't played in so long.

NE's line isn't awesome or bad, a lot of how they had looked in previous years had to do with the way Brady plays. Hell they ran the hell out of the ball this past year.

The Chiefs I feel will let Cassel do his thing and not tell him not to take chances and all of that that's why I think his pick numbers will increase it's really only logical.

Hammock Parties · 08-01-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They couldn't pass block because he is completely different than Brady

Garbage. They couldn't pass block because the ****ing linemen got BEAT.

Cassel should NOT be penalized for not being Tom Brady.

**Rausch** · 08-01-2009, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Garbage. They couldn't pass block because the ****ing linemen got BEAT.

Cassel should NOT be penalized for not being Tom Brady.

Cassel is easily twice as mobile as Brady which is why I scratch my chin when I see the sack totals...

Mecca · 08-01-2009, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Cassel is easily twice as mobile as Brady which is why I scratch my chin when I see the sack totals...

Actually being mobile and getting sacked aren't really things that become exclusive.

Brady feels pressure and moves in the pocket and makes quick reads and gets the ball out in a hurry. He has a knack for just moving a few steps and avoiding rushers.

There are mobile QB's who take more sacks because they have a tendency to look at the rush or start running around and still get tackled behind the line.

Being mobile is nice but it doesn't mean you'll take less sacks.

Generally speaking the speed of your reads, release and your pocket presence are what goes into your sack totals.

milkman · 08-01-2009, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They couldn't pass block because he is completely different than Brady. Brady would change plays and have the ball out in about 3 seconds, no one would expect Cassel to do that and they were playing a different type of offense.

With Brady it was, big plays score a lot of points QB is out best player all of that.

With Cassel it was we have talent if you do enough and don't screw up we can still win a lot of games. And it's what they should of done with a guy who hadn't played in so long.

NE's line isn't awesome or bad, a lot of how they had looked in previous years had to do with the way Brady plays. Hell they ran the hell out of the ball this past year.

The Chiefs I feel will let Cassel do his thing and not tell him not to take chances and all of that that's why I think his pick numbers will increase it's really only logical.

Actually, the Patriots O-Line was had the first of the season last year.

And they've never actually been more than servicable, but were made to look better than they are by Brady's incredible pocket awareness and uncanny ability to glide away from pressure in the pocket.

Mecca · 08-01-2009, 05:09 AM

It has a lot to do with it, most of their line has been playing with Brady for their entire pro careers. A lot of their system is set up around Brady...and Brady was to the point where he made excessively fast reads and had the ball out in a hurry.

Their line isn't great but they make the system work because of Tom Brady.

We'll know a lot about Cassel pretty early on because those teams are going to hit him.

**Rausch** · 08-01-2009, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Their line isn't great but they make the system work because of Tom Brady.

We'll know a lot about Cassel pretty early on because those teams are going to hit him.

The idea that the Pats line is good is ****ing hog$#it.

The exact same line that ended Bledsoe's career in NE is the same line Brady rode to a Lombardi.

Brady gets rid of the ball quick. He reads the field unbelievably well. He is decisive.

His line, and has for years, sucks...

Mecca · 08-01-2009, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

The idea that the Pats line is good is ****ing hog$#it.

The exact same line that ended Bledsoe's career in NE is the same line Brady rode to a Lombardi.

Brady gets rid of the ball quick. He reads the field unbelievably well. He is decisive.

His line, and has for years, sucks...

Which is why as I said Brady makes their line. Considering they've all been playing their entire careers with him they get use to how fast the ball is going to come out etc.

08-01-2009, 04:32 AM	#2
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2447050	Actually it's a valid concern because the talent he's playing with is vastly different. Cassel could have a horrendous year while doing exactly what he did in NE and people will completely flip out if it happens. I don't think any receiver the Chiefs send out will get a double team, so someone is going to have to establish themselves as someone the defense is worried about. Bowe is the likely candidate but he'll have to prove he can he's always just been singled before with Gonzalez being here. A lot of how Cassel looks this year is going to come down to Larry Johnson, if he can atleast be good enough I think Cassel will be alright, if he's not Cassel is going to get his brains beat in behind the line.
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08-01-2009, 04:46 AM	#3
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2447050	There are some very good WR's that did jack squat through their first 2 years. It's very early to label Bowe that way, he's still better than any WR we've had in years though all of our WR's during the Vermiel era were total balls...and the ones before that were even worse.
Posts: 111,023

08-01-2009, 05:00 AM	#8
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2447050	They couldn't pass block because he is completely different than Brady. Brady would change plays and have the ball out in about 3 seconds, no one would expect Cassel to do that and they were playing a different type of offense. With Brady it was, big plays score a lot of points QB is out best player all of that. With Cassel it was we have talent if you do enough and don't screw up we can still win a lot of games. And it's what they should of done with a guy who hadn't played in so long. NE's line isn't awesome or bad, a lot of how they had looked in previous years had to do with the way Brady plays. Hell they ran the hell out of the ball this past year. The Chiefs I feel will let Cassel do his thing and not tell him not to take chances and all of that that's why I think his pick numbers will increase it's really only logical.
Posts: 111,023

08-01-2009, 05:09 AM	#13
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2447050	It has a lot to do with it, most of their line has been playing with Brady for their entire pro careers. A lot of their system is set up around Brady...and Brady was to the point where he made excessively fast reads and had the ball out in a hurry. Their line isn't great but they make the system work because of Tom Brady. We'll know a lot about Cassel pretty early on because those teams are going to hit him.
Posts: 111,023