Chiefs Orchestrated offensive ineptitude?

aturnis · 09-25-2008, 09:34 PM

Lately I've been thinking. I know it's a mistake, but...what do you do?

I've been giving a little more weight to the idea that the coaches, might be progressing the offensive playbook slowly as they said they would back in training camp. I know Herm said something about keeping it simple, and when they get some things down, they would add a little more, then a little more, and so forth.

I think we may have taken the preseason playcalling for granted. Maybe we expect since they did this a bit in the preseason that they would have evolved past their current state.

Maybe though, they were just getting an idea of what they could run right now, what they needed to work on, and how far they had to go before they could add other dimensions to their offensive arsenal.

Then, after the preseason, maybe they said...W"ell, they've sucked pretty bad, looks like instead of starting out with 50% of the playbook, we'll start with maybe 10, and build on that."

This might help explain the even shorter than usual leash on Brodie in game one, then in games since adding a little more length to the passing game leash in weeks since, w/ lesser QB's. It might also lend understanding to why they finally started running off tackle w/ LJ in week 3, when we all know that has been a staple in not only his game, but the game of the Kansas City Chiefs for years. Maybe the coaches didn't think the "new" line was ready for all that just yet.

Is this why they blindly ran LJ into brick walls for 2 straight weeks? By chance, could we see a full array of plays and play calling by the end of the season? And if we do, might the LJ "run it up the butt" plays actually be effective? That is, with the defense not being sure if they will run it "up the butt", or outside, or to the left, or maybe throw it, or maybe even throw it further?

It would make sense. Start off slow in a season when winning isn't expected anyways. Play, learn, grow, and set themselves up for a good draft pick in the process. Meanwhile slowly installing the teams identity week to week and make a run at finishing the season strong and maybe winning a few games building the teams confidence.

I know from being a Chiefs fan, that this thinking is just hopeful and setting ones self up for disappointment. That is why I think of these things and now instead of believing in them, I humor myself with them. I know I will be let down soon enough and you will too!

How bout it though...any chance this team is not THAT inept?

Hammock Parties · 09-25-2008, 09:37 PM

I've been thinking the same thing. If you try to rationalize the offensive progression we've seen this year you'll go insane. It's best just to watch it unfold and try not to explain. Herm's mind is a tangled weave. Or maybe this is all Gailey and it's how he does things.

Fish · 09-25-2008, 09:40 PM

Maybe they're just stupid.

These guys get paid a shit ton of money to do what they do. To think that this team of "professionals" couldn't handle a full playbook is sad and embarrassing....

Benefit of the doubt is used up....

milkman · 09-25-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Maybe they're just stupid.

These guys get paid a shit ton of money to do what they do. To think that this team of "professionals" couldn't handle a full playbook is sad and embarrassing....

Benefit of the doubt is used up....

And given that this playcalling is exactly the same palycalling we saw all of last season, even though we not only scrapped the OC, but the old playbook, even more reason to give no benefit of doubt.

ArrowheadHawk · 09-25-2008, 09:48 PM

This thread is why I love being a Chiefs fan. Gotta build hope somehow or you might as well root for a different team.

Reerun_KC · 09-25-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

And given that this playcalling is exactly the same palycalling we saw all of last season, even though we not only scrapped the OC, but the old playbook, even more reason to give no benefit of doubt.

makes you wonder who is running the "circus" now...

I dont think there is enough crows on this planet to serve up Herm properly.... Everytime Herm opens his "cock holster" just ends up being

FAX · 09-25-2008, 10:02 PM

That's the best theory I've heard so far, Mr. aturnis. It makes a lot of sense.

Except for one thing: We're running essentially the same offense we ran last year and the year prior.

FAX

Hammock Parties · 09-25-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

That's the best theory I've heard so far, Mr. aturnis. It makes a lot of sense.

Except for one thing: We're running essentially the same offense we ran last year and the year prior.

FAX

I honestly don't think you can say that any more.

TrickyNicky · 09-25-2008, 10:05 PM

If the past 3 weeks was 10% I think we may be up to %12-15 with Huard back in.

Protecting Brodie by getting into known passing downs on long yardage is genius. What better way to see if your young guy has what it takes than to have him do a 5 step drop with barely 2 seconds of protection. No wonder he has checkdown-itis, and rockets touch passes.

aturnis · 09-25-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Herm's mind is a tangled weave.

I think you mean tumble weed.

aturnis · 09-25-2008, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Maybe they're just stupid.

These guys get paid a shit ton of money to do what they do. To think that this team of "professionals" couldn't handle a full playbook is sad and embarrassing....

Benefit of the doubt is used up....

Yeah, but they were "dumbing it down" and all for the mass amounts of young players, first year starters, and first year starters at new positions we have.

aturnis · 09-25-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

This thread is why I love being a Chiefs fan. Gotta build hope somehow or you might as well root for a different team.

I never understood masochist's. Explain to me why you love being tortured?

aturnis · 09-25-2008, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

That's the best theory I've heard so far, Mr. aturnis. It makes a lot of sense.

Except for one thing: We're running essentially the same offense we ran last year and the year prior.

FAX

Yeah, maybe it has a tad of the "handcuff" stink too. If you remember they never said they changed the entire offense. Just scaled it down and simplified it. Got rid of unnecessary motions and such. Many players have said it's basically a lot of the same offense, with new terminology.

ArrowheadHawk · 09-25-2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

I never understood masochist's. Explain to me why you love being tortured?

With a strong mind. And I have a KU national championship to tie me over.

Fish · 09-25-2008, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

Yeah, but they were "dumbing it down" and all for the mass amounts of young players, first year starters, and first year starters at new positions we have.

I understand trying to keep it simple for young players. I'm struggling with the stubborn lack of variety and creativity.

At this point, we could take our 15 plays and write each down on a piece of paper, and pull them out of a hat and come up with a better game plan that what we had last game.

09-25-2008, 09:34 PM
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	Orchestrated offensive ineptitude? Lately I've been thinking. I know it's a mistake, but...what do you do? I've been giving a little more weight to the idea that the coaches, might be progressing the offensive playbook slowly as they said they would back in training camp. I know Herm said something about keeping it simple, and when they get some things down, they would add a little more, then a little more, and so forth. I think we may have taken the preseason playcalling for granted. Maybe we expect since they did this a bit in the preseason that they would have evolved past their current state. Maybe though, they were just getting an idea of what they could run right now, what they needed to work on, and how far they had to go before they could add other dimensions to their offensive arsenal. Then, after the preseason, maybe they said...W"ell, they've sucked pretty bad, looks like instead of starting out with 50% of the playbook, we'll start with maybe 10, and build on that." This might help explain the even shorter than usual leash on Brodie in game one, then in games since adding a little more length to the passing game leash in weeks since, w/ lesser QB's. It might also lend understanding to why they finally started running off tackle w/ LJ in week 3, when we all know that has been a staple in not only his game, but the game of the Kansas City Chiefs for years. Maybe the coaches didn't think the "new" line was ready for all that just yet. Is this why they blindly ran LJ into brick walls for 2 straight weeks? By chance, could we see a full array of plays and play calling by the end of the season? And if we do, might the LJ "run it up the butt" plays actually be effective? That is, with the defense not being sure if they will run it "up the butt", or outside, or to the left, or maybe throw it, or maybe even throw it further? It would make sense. Start off slow in a season when winning isn't expected anyways. Play, learn, grow, and set themselves up for a good draft pick in the process. Meanwhile slowly installing the teams identity week to week and make a run at finishing the season strong and maybe winning a few games building the teams confidence. I know from being a Chiefs fan, that this thinking is just hopeful and setting ones self up for disappointment. That is why I think of these things and now instead of believing in them, I humor myself with them. I know I will be let down soon enough and you will too! How bout it though...any chance this team is not THAT inept?
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09-25-2008, 09:37 PM	#2
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4680478	I've been thinking the same thing. If you try to rationalize the offensive progression we've seen this year you'll go insane. It's best just to watch it unfold and try not to explain. Herm's mind is a tangled weave. Or maybe this is all Gailey and it's how he does things.
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09-25-2008, 09:40 PM	#3
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2248919	Maybe they're just stupid. These guys get paid a shit ton of money to do what they do. To think that this team of "professionals" couldn't handle a full playbook is sad and embarrassing.... Benefit of the doubt is used up.... __________________
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	That's the best theory I've heard so far, Mr. aturnis. It makes a lot of sense. Except for one thing: We're running essentially the same offense we ran last year and the year prior. FAX
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TrickyNicky My Black Friend, Alan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manhattan Casino cash: $10007047	If the past 3 weeks was 10% I think we may be up to %12-15 with Huard back in. Protecting Brodie by getting into known passing downs on long yardage is genius. What better way to see if your young guy has what it takes than to have him do a 5 step drop with barely 2 seconds of protection. No wonder he has checkdown-itis, and rockets touch passes.
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