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Coogs · 12-28-2007, 12:57 PM

December 28, 2007:

Boston College vs Michigan State; Champs Sports Bowl; 5 PM et; ESPN… A pretty good case can be made that this afternoon’s Champs Sports Bowl match-up between Boston College and Michigan State has as much talent for the 2008 draft as any contest on the early bowl schedule. BC QB Matt Ryan (#12, 6-5, 235), for example, has been one of the major rising stars of the upcoming draft class; indeed, there are teams around the league that would make the Ryan the first player off the board at the position ahead of the likes o Louisville’s Brian Brohm and Andre’ Woodson of Kentucky. And Ryan could very well be joined in this Year’s opening round by rugged OT Gosder Cherilus (#77, 6-6, 320) and CB DeJuan Tribble (#27, 5-9, 190), although the latter won’t play because of an injury. Meanwhile, the Eagles’ senior class also has plenty of depth including the RB duo of Andre Callender (#32, 5-10, 205) and L.V. Whitworth (#30, 5-11, 222), All-America FS Jamie Silva (#44, 5-11, 205), DE Nick Larkin (#57, 6-3, 255), MLB Jolonn Dunbar (#40, 6-0, 225) and WR Kevin Challenger (#84, 5-9, 185).

Michigan State could also have an impact on the early going at the 2008 draft if junior WR Devin Thomas (#5, 6-1, 215) who doesn’t get that much in the way of national pub, but has been as productive as any receiver in the country this fall. Indeed, Thomas, who runs in the 4.50 range for the 40, caught 76 passes for 1,200 yards this fall and averaged a healthy 28.1 yards per KO returns. The Spartans also have one o college football’s most versatile players in TE Kellen Davis (#80, 6-5, 255) who also plays along the defensive line. MSU also features a big offensive line including OT Pete Clifford (#75, 6-6, 320), OG Mike Gyetvai (#66, 6-6, 310) and C John Masters (#54, 6-3, 285) who combine to clear the road for RBs Javon Ringer (#23, 5-9, 205), an explosive junior pile driving Jehuu Caulcrick (#30, 5-11, 255). Meanwhile, the Spartans defense isn’t as strong as the offense and won’t be helped by the act that star DE Jonal St. Dic won’t play because of academics, although steady MLB Kaleb Thornhill (#41, 6-0, 240), DT Ogemdi Nwagbuo (#99, 6-3, 290), DE Ervin Baldwin (#51, 6-2, 270), and safeties Nehemiah Warrick (#3, 6-1, 210), Travis Key (#13, 5-10, 185) and junior Otis Wiley (#21, 6-1, 210) are solid second-tier types.

Houston vs Texas Christian; Texas Bowl, 8 PM ET; NFL Network… If speed is the name of the game, then pro scouts will be tuned when Houston plays TCU in the Texas Bowl as the Cougars feature two of the fastest players in the country as both WR Donnie Avery (#2, 5-10, 190) and RB Anthony Aldridge (#22, 5-9, 175) run close to 4.3 for the 40. And both have translated that speed into terrific productivity on the field. Avery, who doubles as an outstanding KO return man who averaged over 28 yards a return this fall, for example, had 81 catches this season for over 1,300 yards. For his part, Aldridge, who is smallish by current NFL standards, had over 2,000 yards in total offense this season including 1,600 yards on the ground and another 400 plus on 41 receptions; Aldridge also scored 19 times this season. Meawnhile, Avery combines with rangy WR Jeron Harvey (#9, 6-5, 215) to give the Cougars one of the better 1-2 punches at the position in college football. Other Cougars to watch include OG Jeff Akeroyd (#77, 6-3, 295), junior DE Phillip Hunt (#53, 6-2, 250), LBs Brendan Pahula (#3, 6-2, 240) and Trent Allen (#41, 6-1, 245) and safety Rocky Schwartz (#20, 5-10, 200).

The player under the microscope in the Texas Bowl though, will be TCU DE Tommy Blake (#97, 6-2, 255). Blake came into the season rated as one of the top pass-rushers in the country, but ended up sitting out much of the year dealing with some personal issues. If on his game, though, Blake combines with fellow DE Chase Ortiz (#93, 6-2, 255) to give the Horned Frogs a dangerous outside pass rush. TCU also has a pretty good KR in SS Brian Bonner (#6, 5-10, 200), while FS David Roach (#27, 6-1, 215) and OLB David Hawthorne (#46, 5-11, 225) are solid. And if the offense stalls, the horned Frogs have one o the country’s most accurate PKs in Chris Manfredini (#44, 5-9, 165).

Maryland vs Oregon State; Emerald Bowl; 8:30 PM ET; ESPN… Which team wins this year’s Emerald Bowl may come down to who wins the head-to-head battle between star Oregon State RB Yvenson Bernard (#26, 5-9, 205), a slasher with over 3,700 career rushing yards, and Maryland junior MLB Erin Henderson (#1, 6-2, 236), the more athletic younger brother of Vikings’ LB E.J. Henderson. Bernard runs behind a huge offensive line anchored by OGs Roy Schuening (#67, 6-3, 320) and junior Jeremy Perry (#62, 6-3, 315) who was considered the top player at the position prior to the season but played little because of a leg injury. The Beavers also have a very experienced defensive front sevens which starts al seniors including DEs Dorian Smith (#93, 6-3, 260) and Jeff Van Ostrow (49, 6-3, 265) and LBs Derrick Doggett (#45, 6-3, 210), Alan Darlin (#46, 6-0, 255) and Joey Larocque (#44, 6-1, 220). For good measure, Oregon State also has one of the better kickers in the nation in PK Alex Serna (#13, 5-8, 170).

If LB Henderson decides to stay in school for the 2008 season, the Terps’ best prospect for the upcoming draft should be emerging DT Dre Moore (#92, 6-4, 315), a rugged run stuffer with enough quickness to post 6.5 sacks this season. The Terps will also feature one of college football’s better 1-2 senior punches at RB in Lance Ball (#44, 5-9, 225) and Keon Lattimore (#21, 5-10, 225), while TE Joey Haynos (#880, 6-7, 260) is a decent blocker and improving receiver. Meanwhile, veteran OG Andrew Crummey (#63, 6-4, 305) is a solid interior blocker. The most intriguing Maryland prospect, though, may ultimately be redshirt sophomore WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (#8, 6-1, 205) who is still learning the nuances of the position, but is a former track star who may very well be the fastest player in college football.

**Reaper16** · 12-29-2007, 01:15 AM

I hadn't watched Ryan in action until tonight. That dude can make some good throws. He impressed me a lot more than I figured he would.

Chiefnj2 · 12-29-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Did anybody happen to focus on Cherilus tonight? I sort of forgot to while concentrating on Ryan.

He's not 1st round quality.

Pablo · 12-29-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He's not 1st round quality.

Yeah, he might go early 2nd at best. I dunno, I suppose I'd still take him early 2nd. The few times I did watch him, I was far less impressed than I was with Clady. I haven't had a chance to watch Baker in person yet, and Long is pretty dominant.

Frosty · 12-29-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

The Terps will also feature one of college football’s better 1-2 senior punches at RB in Lance Ball (#44, 5-9, 225) and Keon Lattimore (#21, 5-10, 225)

Oops. 19 yards rushing for the entire game, including 9 yards on an end around by a WR.

shaneo69 · 12-29-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I hadn't watched Ryan in action until tonight. That dude can make some good throws. He impressed me a lot more than I figured he would.

Under 50% completion percentage, a terrible pick, and two fumbles? Color me unimpressed.

Mecca · 12-29-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Under 50% completion percentage, a terrible pick, and two fumbles? Color me unimpressed.

Probably should have watched it, instead of just looking at the stats. You have to understand what he plays with and what he was doing...

**The Bad Guy** · 12-29-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsLV

The guy is a first-year starter and yes he has had two fluke injuries in five games. Huard has been hurt this year too. I guess I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since our offensive line ****ing blows goats this year. The put downs are not necessary to make your point.

The ****ing injuries weren't because of the offensive line.

Were his injuries in college flukes too?

I think they are necessary when you are obviously grasping at whatever you could to attempt to prove that Brodie isn't injury prone.

Mecca · 12-29-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The ****ing injuries weren't because of the offensive line.

Were his injuries in college flukes too?

I think they are necessary when you are obviously grasping at whatever you could to attempt to prove that Brodie isn't injury prone.

The way some people act you'd think Brodie Croyle was Peyton Manning coming out of college.

ChiefsLV · 12-29-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The ****ing injuries weren't because of the offensive line.

Were his injuries in college flukes too?

I think they are necessary when you are obviously grasping at whatever you could to attempt to prove that Brodie isn't injury prone.

I'm just saying I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because the injuries, especially the last one where he hurts his hand going after a defender, were fluke. You're the one trying to prove that he's injury prone.

Mecca · 12-29-2007, 12:53 PM

You don't have to prove he's injury prone, HE IS INJURY PRONE. There is no proving to it.

ChiefsLV · 12-29-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The way some people act you'd think Brodie Croyle was Peyton Manning coming out of college.

Look man, I don't think anyone here is totally sold on Brodie. The fact of the matter is this team has a shitload of holes. That's something everyone can agree on. Most of us here are willing to give Brodie an actual season to see if he can develop into something rather than gamble with our first round pick on a position that historically doesn't pan out. Especially with this year's crop of QB's, it just makes sense to fill another hole with that pick. And if it doesn't work out, we get another high pick next year. Funny thing is, this is probably exactly how it will work out.

shaneo69 · 12-29-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Probably should have watched it, instead of just looking at the stats. You have to understand what he plays with and what he was doing...

I've seen enough of him this year to know he's not even worthy of a top-20 pick. But because he's a QB, he'll be the next Joey Harrington/Kyle Boller.

Mecca · 12-29-2007, 01:02 PM

You know what you should do...

You should pull up the list of the QB's that have won or even made the Superbowl and look at how many of them were 1st round picks....

For a position that "historically busts" there's a reason when teams repeatedly draft them high...just go look at those numbers the percentage of QB's that make the bowl being first rounders is staggering.

Mecca · 12-29-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

I've seen enough of him this year to know he's not even worthy of a top-20 pick. But because he's a QB, he'll be the next Joey Harrington/Kyle Boller.

That's a rather ridiculous statement, I guess no QB is ever worth a high pick unless he's Peyton Manning in your world.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-29-2007, 01:07 PM

I guess Marc Bulger, Tavaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, Steve McNair, Kyle Boller, Jake Delhomme, Matt Leinart, Donovan McNabb, Jeff Garcia, JP Losman and Matt Schaub are injury prone too.

They've all missed as much time or more than Croyle has this year.

That's a third of the league's QB's, just off the top of my head.

Injury history in college is irrelevant. Football is a physical game. The defense is trying to kill the QB. QB's with bad OL's are going to get hurt. His history doesn't make him more likely to get injured. There are guys that never miss a down in college that suffer serious injuries in the NFL. It happens.

There's a reason that guys like Manning, Favre and Brady don't get injured often, if ever. They get hit half the times a normal QB does. They've all been sacked less than 21 times a game.

I think the Chiefs had given up 21 sacks by Week 5.

Would everyone be whining about Croyle missing 1 game is he didn't have the ACL problems at Bama?

I don't remember Leinart or Bulger having an "injury history" in college, yet they've both missed a lot more time than Croyle has this year.

I guess they're made of glass, too.

**** it.

Every player that ever had in injury in college and has had one in the NFL is made of glass.

Pussies. All of them. Get them out of the league.

12-28-2007, 12:57 PM
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1494349	Today's draft watch games include Matt Ryan... December 28, 2007: Boston College vs Michigan State; Champs Sports Bowl; 5 PM et; ESPN… A pretty good case can be made that this afternoon’s Champs Sports Bowl match-up between Boston College and Michigan State has as much talent for the 2008 draft as any contest on the early bowl schedule. BC QB Matt Ryan (#12, 6-5, 235), for example, has been one of the major rising stars of the upcoming draft class; indeed, there are teams around the league that would make the Ryan the first player off the board at the position ahead of the likes o Louisville’s Brian Brohm and Andre’ Woodson of Kentucky. And Ryan could very well be joined in this Year’s opening round by rugged OT Gosder Cherilus (#77, 6-6, 320) and CB DeJuan Tribble (#27, 5-9, 190), although the latter won’t play because of an injury. Meanwhile, the Eagles’ senior class also has plenty of depth including the RB duo of Andre Callender (#32, 5-10, 205) and L.V. Whitworth (#30, 5-11, 222), All-America FS Jamie Silva (#44, 5-11, 205), DE Nick Larkin (#57, 6-3, 255), MLB Jolonn Dunbar (#40, 6-0, 225) and WR Kevin Challenger (#84, 5-9, 185). Michigan State could also have an impact on the early going at the 2008 draft if junior WR Devin Thomas (#5, 6-1, 215) who doesn’t get that much in the way of national pub, but has been as productive as any receiver in the country this fall. Indeed, Thomas, who runs in the 4.50 range for the 40, caught 76 passes for 1,200 yards this fall and averaged a healthy 28.1 yards per KO returns. The Spartans also have one o college football’s most versatile players in TE Kellen Davis (#80, 6-5, 255) who also plays along the defensive line. MSU also features a big offensive line including OT Pete Clifford (#75, 6-6, 320), OG Mike Gyetvai (#66, 6-6, 310) and C John Masters (#54, 6-3, 285) who combine to clear the road for RBs Javon Ringer (#23, 5-9, 205), an explosive junior pile driving Jehuu Caulcrick (#30, 5-11, 255). Meanwhile, the Spartans defense isn’t as strong as the offense and won’t be helped by the act that star DE Jonal St. Dic won’t play because of academics, although steady MLB Kaleb Thornhill (#41, 6-0, 240), DT Ogemdi Nwagbuo (#99, 6-3, 290), DE Ervin Baldwin (#51, 6-2, 270), and safeties Nehemiah Warrick (#3, 6-1, 210), Travis Key (#13, 5-10, 185) and junior Otis Wiley (#21, 6-1, 210) are solid second-tier types. Houston vs Texas Christian; Texas Bowl, 8 PM ET; NFL Network… If speed is the name of the game, then pro scouts will be tuned when Houston plays TCU in the Texas Bowl as the Cougars feature two of the fastest players in the country as both WR Donnie Avery (#2, 5-10, 190) and RB Anthony Aldridge (#22, 5-9, 175) run close to 4.3 for the 40. And both have translated that speed into terrific productivity on the field. Avery, who doubles as an outstanding KO return man who averaged over 28 yards a return this fall, for example, had 81 catches this season for over 1,300 yards. For his part, Aldridge, who is smallish by current NFL standards, had over 2,000 yards in total offense this season including 1,600 yards on the ground and another 400 plus on 41 receptions; Aldridge also scored 19 times this season. Meawnhile, Avery combines with rangy WR Jeron Harvey (#9, 6-5, 215) to give the Cougars one of the better 1-2 punches at the position in college football. Other Cougars to watch include OG Jeff Akeroyd (#77, 6-3, 295), junior DE Phillip Hunt (#53, 6-2, 250), LBs Brendan Pahula (#3, 6-2, 240) and Trent Allen (#41, 6-1, 245) and safety Rocky Schwartz (#20, 5-10, 200). The player under the microscope in the Texas Bowl though, will be TCU DE Tommy Blake (#97, 6-2, 255). Blake came into the season rated as one of the top pass-rushers in the country, but ended up sitting out much of the year dealing with some personal issues. If on his game, though, Blake combines with fellow DE Chase Ortiz (#93, 6-2, 255) to give the Horned Frogs a dangerous outside pass rush. TCU also has a pretty good KR in SS Brian Bonner (#6, 5-10, 200), while FS David Roach (#27, 6-1, 215) and OLB David Hawthorne (#46, 5-11, 225) are solid. And if the offense stalls, the horned Frogs have one o the country’s most accurate PKs in Chris Manfredini (#44, 5-9, 165). Maryland vs Oregon State; Emerald Bowl; 8:30 PM ET; ESPN… Which team wins this year’s Emerald Bowl may come down to who wins the head-to-head battle between star Oregon State RB Yvenson Bernard (#26, 5-9, 205), a slasher with over 3,700 career rushing yards, and Maryland junior MLB Erin Henderson (#1, 6-2, 236), the more athletic younger brother of Vikings’ LB E.J. Henderson. Bernard runs behind a huge offensive line anchored by OGs Roy Schuening (#67, 6-3, 320) and junior Jeremy Perry (#62, 6-3, 315) who was considered the top player at the position prior to the season but played little because of a leg injury. The Beavers also have a very experienced defensive front sevens which starts al seniors including DEs Dorian Smith (#93, 6-3, 260) and Jeff Van Ostrow (49, 6-3, 265) and LBs Derrick Doggett (#45, 6-3, 210), Alan Darlin (#46, 6-0, 255) and Joey Larocque (#44, 6-1, 220). For good measure, Oregon State also has one of the better kickers in the nation in PK Alex Serna (#13, 5-8, 170). If LB Henderson decides to stay in school for the 2008 season, the Terps’ best prospect for the upcoming draft should be emerging DT Dre Moore (#92, 6-4, 315), a rugged run stuffer with enough quickness to post 6.5 sacks this season. The Terps will also feature one of college football’s better 1-2 senior punches at RB in Lance Ball (#44, 5-9, 225) and Keon Lattimore (#21, 5-10, 225), while TE Joey Haynos (#880, 6-7, 260) is a decent blocker and improving receiver. Meanwhile, veteran OG Andrew Crummey (#63, 6-4, 305) is a solid interior blocker. The most intriguing Maryland prospect, though, may ultimately be redshirt sophomore WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (#8, 6-1, 205) who is still learning the nuances of the position, but is a former track star who may very well be the fastest player in college football.
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12-29-2007, 12:53 PM	#175
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12-29-2007, 01:02 PM	#178
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2507050	You know what you should do... You should pull up the list of the QB's that have won or even made the Superbowl and look at how many of them were 1st round picks.... For a position that "historically busts" there's a reason when teams repeatedly draft them high...just go look at those numbers the percentage of QB's that make the bowl being first rounders is staggering.
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12-29-2007, 01:07 PM	#180
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4851115	I guess Marc Bulger, Tavaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, Steve McNair, Kyle Boller, Jake Delhomme, Matt Leinart, Donovan McNabb, Jeff Garcia, JP Losman and Matt Schaub are injury prone too. They've all missed as much time or more than Croyle has this year. That's a third of the league's QB's, just off the top of my head. Injury history in college is irrelevant. Football is a physical game. The defense is trying to kill the QB. QB's with bad OL's are going to get hurt. His history doesn't make him more likely to get injured. There are guys that never miss a down in college that suffer serious injuries in the NFL. It happens. There's a reason that guys like Manning, Favre and Brady don't get injured often, if ever. They get hit half the times a normal QB does. They've all been sacked less than 21 times a game. I think the Chiefs had given up 21 sacks by Week 5. Would everyone be whining about Croyle missing 1 game is he didn't have the ACL problems at Bama? I don't remember Leinart or Bulger having an "injury history" in college, yet they've both missed a lot more time than Croyle has this year. I guess they're made of glass, too. **** it. Every player that ever had in injury in college and has had one in the NFL is made of glass. Pussies. All of them. Get them out of the league.
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