****OFFICIAL 2013 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD****

[-King-]

2012-2013 NBA Champions:

[-King-]

Originally Posted by unnecessary drama

oh so Kobe was clutch because he played great defense?!

hahahahaha

so LeBron's defense isn't clutch...but Kobe's is.

Riiight.

Kobe fans are literally ****ing reeruned.

LeBron guarded Tony Parker today. Tony Parker finished with 26 points.

[Hootie]

I respect amazing athletes. I realize that sports are team sports and that just because someone gets Rahim Moore'd doesn't mean they necessarily choked.

Tom Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl in nearly a decade. Doesn't mean he's a choker, does it?

Lets say LeBron is a choker. He certainly looked like one in the Dallas series a few years back.

How is Kobe Bryant not a choker?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by O.city

Lebron hasn't been the best player so far, at times, yeah he has been. The whole series? No.

The best player in the series by far, even with his poor shooting. Nobody else even comes close on either team. That's how much he contributes for the Heat.

Lebron isn't Jordan, no.

Doesn't play anything like him either. They're a completely different kind of player.

The fact that he's scored/rebounded/facilitated like he has in the 4th quarter of losses, says otherwise.

The Heat tanked in 2 of their losses, just like the Spurs tanked in their 2. It really doesn't tell me much of anything about anybody, other than that the Heat don't seem to give a shit about these games until they feel actually threatened in an elimination game.

[Hootie]

LeBron didn't guard Tony Parker today.

LMFAO

He guarded him at times. He guarded everyone.

My ****ing God what a BLIND ****ing statement.

Yeah. LeBron guarded Tony Parker. And Tim Duncan. And Danny Green. And Boris Diaw!

Holy shit! LeBron gave up like 95 points tonight! What a choker.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by -King-

Don't know, while the rest of the team was trying to mount a comeback in the 4th quarter, LeBron was 1-5 with 3 points (2 from the field). But hey, that's okay! Right?

Chalmers was certainly doing his thing.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by unnecessary drama

I respect amazing athletes. I realize that sports are team sports and that just because someone gets Rahim Moore'd doesn't mean they necessarily choked.

Tom Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl in nearly a decade. Doesn't mean he's a choker, does it?

Lets say LeBron is a choker. He certainly looked like one in the Dallas series a few years back.

How is Kobe Bryant not a choker?

It's all about perception.

The reality is that MJ and Kobe have played on the better teams in NBA Finals.

LeBron has played against the better teams in his Finals.

[tk13]

Not sure if I like the football comparisons. Basketball is a different sport... guys play both sides of the ball. Star players have a much greater impact on the game.

[O.city]

I view alot of yelling going on in this thread.

[Hootie]

well

the 98 Jazz were certainly a better team than the 98 Bulls with a 90% dead Pippen (back) and a banged up Rodman...Jordan single-handedly won the Bulls that series

and the 93 Suns were probably just as good, if not better, than the 93 Bulls

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by milkman

It's all about perception.

The reality is that MJ and Kobe have played on the better teams in NBA Finals.

LeBron has played against the better teams in his Finals.

thats not totally true. Maybe in the runs with shaq, but in the 3 they played in the last few years they played boston 2 times and Boston could have been a better team both of them times, came out 1-1. They were just better then Orlando.

Of the 3 lebron went against. You could say that they were the better team 2 of the 3. They did something during the season that no one has done in a long long time with that win streak. They are the better team, just not better coached.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by unnecessary drama

Kobe was the 2nd best player on his team in arguably every Finals.

Definitely was the 2nd best in the Shaq years. Gasol was also just as good, if not better than him, in the 2 other titles. Pau really gets no respect for what he contributed in those years, Kobe gets it all.

But he's not in MJ's league (clearly)...and LeBron is most definitely already a more accomplished basketball player for his career than Kobe.

The funny thing is LeBron has already passed Kobe in playoff win shares: http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

He'll be #3 or #4 all-time this time next year.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

Not sure if I like the football comparisons. Basketball is a different sport... guys play both sides of the ball. Star players have a much greater impact on the game.

I can agree with this. It is much easier to be a choker in basketball than football. No doubt.

And I've seen LeBron choke before. The Dallas series was an embarrassment to his brand.

I just want to know how all of these pro-Kobe/anti-LeBron (and that is 100% of what it is) can call LeBron a choker and act like Kobe is great because he's clutch

Kobe Bryant has never been clutch. Ever.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by unnecessary drama

well

the 98 Jazz were certainly a better team than the 98 Bulls with a 90% dead Pippen (back) and a banged up Rodman...Jordan single-handedly won the Bulls that series

and the 93 Suns were probably just as good, if not better, than the 93 Bulls

Do not agree.

The teams that played in the Jordan era were all flawed teams.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls

LeBron is basically Dan Marino/John Elway (before 97) at this point.

Doubt he ever gets to Montana status.

Did you not watch his playoff\Final performance last year?

[Hootie]

they should have gone 0-2 against Boston but Ray Allen had an all-time choke job

he outchoked Kobe which was tough