Does Alex Smith deserve a extension after this season?

[penbrook]

Does he deserve a extension to be our QB long term or do we take a chance on somebody else.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm sure you're exactly right about what they'll do in the draft in 2014. That's part for the course for KC...

I posted this earlier this year. Hopefully, someday it will no longer apply.

Step 1: Acquire another team's backup QB to be your new starter. Point to his potential and ability to be a leader and keep the team in games. Ignore his inability to WIN games.

Step 2: With 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value.
- 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA.
- 2B: Continue 2A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later

Step 3: Say you will wait until next year to draft a QB in the 1st and develop a franchise guy.

Step 4: Slog to somewhere between 7-10 wins and talk up how "competitive" your season was and how "close" the team is.

Step 5: When next year comes, watch in feigned dismay as all the "good" QBs go off the board before your pick. Sigh, sell "BPA available" and draft for that, saying "We're too close to winning something big to reach on a QB at this pick. Other needs must be addressed. We'll get a similar QB later at a better value."
- Step 5a: Again watch in dismay as no similar QBs are available by the next pick. Again draft BPA.
- Step 5B: Rinse and repeat 5A until eventually arriving at 2B.

Step 6: Talk up previously acquired backup QB, now-starter and how much talent you've added in the draft around him. Reference "weapons" and "chunks."

Step 7: Repeat Steps 5-6 for 2-3 more years, then reset at Step 1.

"Hopefully someday it will no longer apply"? LOL, WUT?

This was a nice, entertaining and well-written prediction that perfectly captured the frustration of long-suffering Chiefs fans. The problem is that it turned out to be wrong. You predicted a continuous cycle of 7-10 wins. That's already been smashed to smithereens with 3 weeks to go.

You've been an excellent poster ever since you joined this site. I especially like your takes on the Royals. But DJ's Left Nut is kicking your ass in this thread.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Do you really think there was a better option at QB this year than Alex Smith? EJ Manuel and Geno just were not good enough prospects to take that high. If it had been 2012, then yea.....Reid and Dorsey could be critiqued for passing on Luck and RGIII.
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It didn't really matter, they were not going to draft a QB period, and that is my point.

Their first move, was the same as Pioli's, trade a second(s) for an experienced guy that can get you back to competitive now.

If they had a mindset to take a chance on a QB, they would have. I would bet a high that as long as the Hunt's own this team, they will not spend a 1st on a QB in my lifetime.

[Floridafan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Manning made more foolish decisions and more poor throws in that game than Smith. Smith gets blistered for his endzone throw meanwhile everyone ignored Manning essentially handing us the ball at the 20 on that wounded duck he flipped up for Cooper. Additionally, Manning's guys actually caught the damn ball and he was throwing to Decker, who had nobody within 5 yards of him on most plays. Though I'll concede that his aggregate numbers in Denver weren't great, he really played very well in the 2nd half (though yes, a 'few drops' would've made a world of difference in that game).

What he was in San Fransisco and now here is better than what we're 80% likely to get. And if we don't have that yet, why let him get away? There's nothing to be gained by letting go of the first branch before you've grabbed the next.

I like the idea of planning for a future without Alex Smith, but Alex Smith is part of that plan. I'm not okay with just falling to hell and losing 12 games/season while we watch a legitimate HoF talent at RB waste away. I'm not okay with pissing away the remainder of the careers of two of the best Chiefs you'll ever see in Hali and DJ.

We have to keep this team healthy in the short term while building for the long. Alex Smith does that. It fosters a winning culture again. It gets us closer to the Broncos than the Jaguars (and bad news, kiddos - the rest of the NFL had us squarely in that 'well there's a W' category with the Jags, Bucs, Raiders and the rest of the NFL swill).

If you want to wait until after the draft to approach Smith - fine. But if his representatives were to approach us immediately following the end of the season with a reasonable proposal that keeps him here for 3-4 years on terms that are similar to these (with adjustments for increases in the cap), I'd take it right then.

The plan can include Alex Smith; that doesn't mean the plan is Alex Smith.

Excellent post, well thought out.

[warrior]

Originally Posted by Floridafan

Excellent post, well thought out.

Yep DJ's left nut should be President of CP

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by warrior

Yep DJ's left nut should be President of CP

Not so much...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

"Hopefully someday it will no longer apply"? LOL, WUT?

This was a nice, entertaining and well-written prediction that perfectly captured the frustration of long-suffering Chiefs fans. The problem is that it turned out to be wrong. You predicted a continuous cycle of 7-10 wins. That's already been smashed to smithereens with 3 weeks to go.

You've been an excellent poster ever since you joined this site. I especially like your takes on the Royals. But DJ's Left Nut is kicking your ass in this thread.

DJ made a lot of good points in this thread. I think he misunderstood exactly what I was saying/advocating for, but that's on me for not making it more clear. I sacrificed a little clarity for a little snark, I think.

The step-by-step process I copied over from another thread was posted in April or May, when even the most optimistic Chiefs fans were saying 10-11 wins. I could have just as easily said 13 (since that's been the high end of wins since the whole cycle started under Marty), but 7-10 have been the most common records in that time period, so I went with that.

Also: Just checked your join date. Were you on here under a different handle before 2010? I've been around since 2001.

[cdcox]

Alex Smith still can't convert 1st and 10 on the opponents 19 and against a weak defense at home into a game tying score. He only give you a competitive advantage if he allows you to have more talent in other positions.

[DJ's left nut]

That's exactly why you don't go overboard to sign him. If he's looking for a Flacco contract, you walk. The Chiefs shouldn't move heaven and Earth for him, they just need to offer him a fair deal for an average to slightly above average QB. The deal needs to be one that allows them to keep the parts that are necessary for him to win the 10-12 games/season he's capable of winning with a solid defense.

If you can stick with a game manager salary for him, I believe you do get a competitive advantage. Obviously it would be better to snag someone like Wilson in the 3rd and get a Pro Bowl QB for free for a few years, but let's wait until we have one of those first. As much as we think we see, the coaches see more. If we got a guy like Wilson, I'm completely confident that Reid would see that on the practice field and wouldn't hesitate to give the kid the keys (he's done it before).

And no, we didn't manage to tie that game, but in the alternative you can say that he took a team against a $25 million quarterback that just threw 5 touchdowns and had them 3 yards away from overtime. That's pretty damn impressive in its own right, is it not?

I just think it's both unfair and unreasonable to say "if he's not Manning, don't extend him." He's not Manning - he'll never be Manning. But if your choice is Alex Smith at $10-$12 million/season or Eli Manning, Joe Flacco or Tony Romo at twice that, you're going to be a better football team on the aggregate with Alex Smith. In that sense, he absolutely provides a competitive advantage.

[TRR]

Yes. But don't rush.

Just one Sunday of watching QB's around the league will tell you all you need to know about how hard it is to find consistent play from your QB. QB play has been atrocious for a lot of NFL teams this year and we all know it is the most important position on the field. Smith has played with competence and consistency. He has shown flashes of more than that on more than a handful of occasions...And make no mistake, other than Charles and an inconsistent Bowe, this offense lacks fire power. Smith has done what most here said he needed to do...Make KC competitive immediately...and he has done that.

Do you sign him to crazy money? No. Do you extend him for the next five years? No. Do you push him out the door after next year with only an undrafted QB worth a shit behind him? Absolutely not.

[Molitoth]

Just because Alex has had about 5 or 6 good games out of 13 so far, doesn't mean you extend him, nope.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Alex Smith still can't convert 1st and 10 on the opponents 19 and against a weak defense at home into a game tying score. He only give you a competitive advantage if he allows you to have more talent in other positions.

The WCO is a complex system and the redzone is about the last thing that normal clicks. Despite was idiots around here say, it's about more than just the QB.

The offense has shown improvement corresponding with the improvement of our Oline. The redzone depends even more on the TE and ours are weak. Our offense is pretty dam good when our WRs catch the ball and our Oline doesn't commit penalties. Both are not on the QB.

People used to say Alex Smith couldn't throw it deep as well and now he is doing it just fine.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

DJ made a lot of good points in this thread. I think he misunderstood exactly what I was saying/advocating for, but that's on me for not making it more clear. I sacrificed a little clarity for a little snark, I think.

The step-by-step process I copied over from another thread was posted in April or May, when even the most optimistic Chiefs fans were saying 10-11 wins. I could have just as easily said 13 (since that's been the high end of wins since the whole cycle started under Marty), but 7-10 have been the most common records in that time period, so I went with that.

Also: Just checked your join date. Were you on here under a different handle before 2010? I've been around since 2001.

For some reason I was thinking you had joined just a couple of years ago. My bad.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

For some reason I was thinking you had joined just a couple of years ago. My bad.

I didn't start posting a lot until I started working from home a few years ago.

Before that, I worked in an extremely IT-controlled environment that locked sites such as this one away. (Such is life at huge corporate entities, though).

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I think BossChief may have it right.

KC could be financially wise in locking him up sooner than later. Alex is very unlikely to regress.. as was 2011-2012, he became significantly better when the team and his comfort in the system grew. If KC can extend him in the offseason while also somewhat protecting themselves on guarantees? That would be the way to go. Alex already made his fortune, and was never about the almighty dollar. He wants to be on a team that can contend, a team that wants him there. Add a 3rd year roster bonus option... throw some incentives in, and he would likely take a deal that wouldn't break KC's bank.

I the both of you are right.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by ComoLaz

Of course, if Alex Smith is willing to sign a team friendly deal that makes him releasable in a couple of years. Most players wouldn't do that.

So far Alex Smith has exceeded my expectation but i still say wait.

Alex Smith has proven time and again he is team first.