Chiefs Flowers vs Law

Hammock Parties · 05-01-2008, 08:26 PM

You know, I was just thinking, Flowers is potentially a big upgrade from Ty Law.

Last year, Ty Law:

1. Got abused by running backs on the edge
2. Had to surrender enormous cushions to receivers when he was in man coverage
3. Couldn't run with anyone
4. Had great instincts, so he wasn't a total loser

This year, Flowers:

1. Abuses running backs on the edge
2. Isn't Deion Sanders, but certainly doesn't run a 4.7 40-yard dash.
3. Can run with most receivers most likely, barring the Randy Mosses of the world.
4. Comes out of college with pretty good instincts, a bonus to this other stuff.

Am I totally insane or are we going to be better off with Flowers on the edge instead of Law?

Deberg_1990 · 05-01-2008, 08:30 PM

Can we wait till Flowers has multiple Pro-Bowls and Super Bowls like Law before we "Crown" him please??

milkman · 05-01-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Can we wait till Flowers has multiple Pro-Bowls and Super Bowls like Law before we "Crown" him please??

Flowers may never be as good as Law once was, but he has the potential to be better than Law ever was as a Chief.

chiefs1111 · 05-01-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Flowers may never be as good as Law once was, but he has the potential to be better than Law ever was as a Chief.

Agreed, watching Law with the chiefs was really unbearable... I am really excited to see this guy play though

Hammock Parties · 05-01-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111

Agreed, watching Law with the chiefs was really unbearable... I am really excited to see this guy play though

I'm not even going to put him in the defensive highlights this year...Tuck Fy Law!

kcchiefsus · 05-01-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Can we wait till Flowers has multiple Pro-Bowls and Super Bowls like Law before we "Crown" him please??

And did Law go to any of those pro bowls or super bowls as a Chief? Exactly. We're not comparing Flowers to what Law did as a Chief, not Law's career.

UteChief · 05-02-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Can we wait till Flowers has multiple Pro-Bowls and Super Bowls like Law before we "Crown" him please??

Come on nothing wrong with a little optimism. Until the season starts anyway.

**Buehler445** · 05-01-2008, 08:37 PM

Depends on the pass rush.

He'll probably make some rookie mistakes, but overall, HELL YES he will be better than Law. Maybe not against Manning though. I don't know what he does against Manning, but it is brutally beautiful.

TEX · 05-01-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Depends on the pass rush.

Yep. And we won't have one this year.

milkman · 05-01-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yep. And we won't have one this year.

I disagree.

Dorsey will get an interior push, which will make whoever lines up at DE more effective.

In spite of Allen's 15.5 sacks, there were huge portions of games that we never sniffed the QB.

Having that inside push will actually provide a more consistent overall rush, even if no one individual puts up big numbers.

**penguinz** · 05-02-2008, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yep. And we won't have one this year.

You are clueless. We will have a much better pass rush this year because we will have a strong push up the middle for a change.

KCrockaholic · 05-02-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yep. And we won't have one this year.

dont forget about Tamba, hes gonna put up great numbers now that Jared isnt overshadowing him

Mecca · 05-01-2008, 09:09 PM

Law was just an example of what happens to guys at that position when they get old....which means Surtain will probably look like that this year, I hope to god this is his last year on the team.

Hammock Parties · 05-01-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Law was just an example of what happens to guys at that position when they get old....which means Surtain will probably look like that this year, I hope to god this is his last year on the team.

I'm not sure he's even going to start. There's been a lot of talk of moving him to the slot, where he's still quick enough to make a difference. Lost his speed though.

Damn did we piss away a lot of money on Law and Surtain.

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-01-2008, 09:13 PM

Flowers has a shot to be very good....but you won't be able to seriously compare him to (a young) Ty Law, until he has at least a year or two under his belt. Experience and game time...will show us whether or not he possesses the instincts, nose for the ball, and tenacity that Law demonstrated....especially, early in his career.

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