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Old 05-01-2008, 08:26 PM  
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Flowers vs Law
You know, I was just thinking, Flowers is potentially a big upgrade from Ty Law.

Last year, Ty Law:

1. Got abused by running backs on the edge
2. Had to surrender enormous cushions to receivers when he was in man coverage
3. Couldn't run with anyone
4. Had great instincts, so he wasn't a total loser

This year, Flowers:

1. Abuses running backs on the edge
2. Isn't Deion Sanders, but certainly doesn't run a 4.7 40-yard dash.
3. Can run with most receivers most likely, barring the Randy Mosses of the world.
4. Comes out of college with pretty good instincts, a bonus to this other stuff.

Am I totally insane or are we going to be better off with Flowers on the edge instead of Law?
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:19 PM   #31
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If you look at Kuharich's interview closely, there was a strong need component on all of the picks. For example the Chiefs were locked into OL, CB, DL over the first 3 picks. I think our needs just broke in such a way that it appeared as if we were going BPA when in reality they were going strongly by need. It just so happened that we had a ton of needs this year. Once the Chiefs decide we don't have so many needs, we'll be back to shitty drafts.
There is always a strong need component for picks. As much as we like to pimp BPA, no team ignores need.

But Kuharich also spoke of taking players that were the highest rated on their board.

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We've had alot of holes before, but our front office always managed to reach for players. Yet in this draft we got great value for all of our picks.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:23 PM   #32
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If they had taken players for straight need Charles and Morgan likely wouldn't have been picked by this team, notice the people on this board that had a fit about the 3rd round?
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:25 PM   #33
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I'm not sure he's even going to start. There's been a lot of talk of moving him to the slot, where he's still quick enough to make a difference. Lost his speed though.

Damn did we piss away a lot of money on Law and Surtain.
I was happy we got both guys. Of course I'm not an NFL GM or anything.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:35 PM   #34
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"It was easy, because we went by our board," Kuharich said. "Charles was our highest-rated player at a position we had not picked. "

If we could have got a stud OL, DT or CB that was rated better than Charles, I would not have complained in the least. I'm not complaining about Charles, but I'm also not naive enough to think that we only needed one player at these positions or that every pick will pan out. If they had some one rated higher, they should have taken him.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:56 PM   #35
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Can we wait till Flowers has multiple Pro-Bowls and Super Bowls like Law before we "Crown" him please??
And did Law go to any of those pro bowls or super bowls as a Chief? Exactly. We're not comparing Flowers to what Law did as a Chief, not Law's career.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:00 PM   #36
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Law was just an example of what happens to guys at that position when they get old....which means Surtain will probably look like that this year, I hope to god this is his last year on the team.
I doubt it. Surtain has always been a faster player than Law. Law was always slow to begin with so him aging hurt him more than other players. Guys like Al Harris and Charles Woodson are as old as or older than Surtain and neither have shown signs of slowing down despite playing mostly man coverage and being on an island most of the time.
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I doubt it. Surtain has always been a faster player than Law. Law was always slow to begin with so him aging hurt him more than other players. Guys like Al Harris and Charles Woodson are as old as or older than Surtain and neither have shown signs of slowing down despite playing mostly man coverage and being on an island most of the time.
Dude, watch a game from last year. Surtain is slow now.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:49 PM   #38
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Build through the draft. Trading a 2nd rounder for Surtain and giving him a fat contract didn't help. Signing Harris to big money didn't help.
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Well hey atleast when the Chiefs play this year we won't hear this every single game "this is one of the oldest teams in football" "this teams starters are some of the oldest in the league"
Yeah,I just wish they would of started doing this in Herms first year here instead of waiting till now..
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Yeah,I just wish they would of started doing this in Herms first year here instead of waiting till now..
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I doubt it. Surtain has always been a faster player than Law. Law was always slow to begin with so him aging hurt him more than other players. Guys like Al Harris and Charles Woodson are as old as or older than Surtain and neither have shown signs of slowing down despite playing mostly man coverage and being on an island most of the time.
Honestly,I wish we would have been able to get rid of both Law and Surtain in the off season..... I remember when we first acquired him from the dolphins,I was freaking jumping for joy. What a waste he turned out to be
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I still think the only pick I have a problem with is Cottam. He may develop into a great player for us, but I still would have liked someone like Doucet in that spot. I think at this point it looks like he would have had greater potential to have a positive impact on our team.
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I still think the only pick I have a problem with is Cottam. He may develop into a great player for us, but I still would have liked someone like Doucet in that spot. I think at this point it looks like he would have had greater potential to have a positive impact on our team.
Doubt it. Dunn was way more important to this team than any slot receiver. Cottam has the potental to be way better than Dunn as a receiver and blocker.
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He was a low 2nd standard 4-3 corner but he's a standout cover2 guy.

He might lack long distance speed but he's got Taco's "burst" and he's a tackler. Very physical and he plays the ball.

I love the pick. Loved him being there where he was on draft day.
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Doubt it. Dunn was way more important to this team than any slot receiver.
Before he started piling up the injuries. Dominating blocker.


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Cottam has the potental to be way better than Dunn as a receiver and blocker.
As a receiver, yes. As a blocker...not likely. Dunn is one of the best blocking TE's I've seen...
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