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Old 12-28-2012, 12:26 AM   #1
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Haley called a Mike Cox FB pass to Matt Cassel in the last game of the 2009 season against Denver. Todd Haley, purported offensive genious (CP spelling) and quality HC, thought a Mike Cox to Matt Cassel pass was a good idea. That single fact completely negates any supposed positives that come with Todd Haley.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:33 AM   #2
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Shocker, Zilla thinks he'll do well if hired in Arizona with really no basis for such an opinion.

What coordinators are going to coach with him? Pioli is a smug one who sucks the penis who few want to work for, and Haley is in the same boat.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:50 AM   #3
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Shocker, Zilla thinks he'll do well if hired in Arizona with really no basis for such an opinion.

What coordinators are going to coach with him? Pioli is a smug one who sucks the penis who few want to work for, and Haley is in the same boat.
I think he'll do well in Arizona because he runs a disciplined team that works hard and responds well to coaching, which is my top criteria for a head coach.

Your point about coordinators is fair. I don't make excuses for stuff like that. And maybe Haley is purely insufferable to work with. But I also have heard plenty to suggest that Pioli didn't give Haley any say whatsoever in decisions like this, including what kind of an offense they were going to run. So reason to be skeptical, but still want to see how he responds with a GM who gives him even a tiny voice in picking his own staff.
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Old 12-28-2012, 01:06 AM   #4
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:27 AM   #5
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Which is exactly why you lose credibility. Three years ago, we were talking about drafting Russell Okung and moving Albert to Guard because he just wasn't good enough to play left tackle. Today, he's a top tier left tackle and people want to franchise tag him and are enraged at the thought that Pioli may choose to not re-sign him. He improved dramatically. It's ridiculous to suggest he's not significantly better than he was as a rookie.
Didn't read your whole post but this is just false.

Albert had a great rookie season with Herm running the show and nobody reasonable was calling for Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, or Jason Smith to replace him.

Albert began his struggles when Haley came in and had him lose 30-40 pounds. He then went on to struggle in 2009 and play average in 2010.

He's been an above average tackle in 2011 & 2012.

Did the weight loss help? Maybe. But let's not act like Albert didn't show he was on his way to becoming a premier left tackle before Haley got his hands on him. I would even say that he almost ruined him.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:42 AM   #6
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Didn't read your whole post but this is just false.

Albert had a great rookie season with Herm running the show and nobody reasonable was calling for Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, or Jason Smith to replace him.

Albert began his struggles when Haley came in and had him lose 30-40 pounds. He then went on to struggle in 2009 and play average in 2010.

He's been an above average tackle in 2011 & 2012.

Did the weight loss help? Maybe. But let's not act like Albert didn't show he was on his way to becoming a premier left tackle before Haley got his hands on him. I would even say that he almost ruined him.
He didnt have a great rookie season. He played decent for a rookie but a lot of his success is attributed to running a pistol offense where thigpen was basically throwing quickly to his first read from the shotgun. When they moved to a conventional offense, it was clear Albert struggled with his technique. the idea that he was on his way to greatness in his rookie season is completely wrong. Unless your suggestion is to run a gimmick offense forever.

The weight loss was a great move. Albert has become one of the better run blockers in the league because he can get upfield, and his strength in the draft was foot quickness, which he can use more now. His strength isn't playing as he did as a rookie, where he was basically throwing his body run absent any technique.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:09 AM   #7
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:55 AM   #8
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zilla that is such bullshit you fling all that shit and then make shit up about "everyone" wanting to move Alber to guard. That's crap.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:17 AM   #9
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zilla that is such bullshit you fling all that shit and then make shit up about "everyone" wanting to move Alber to guard. That's crap.
Fine, not everyone wanted to move him to guard. But lots of people gave up on him as a left tackle or regarded him as a swinging gate. The idea that he was widely conSidered a top notch left tackle years ago is complete baloney.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:22 AM   #10
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Fine, not everyone wanted to move him to guard. But lots of people gave up on him as a left tackle or regarded him as a swinging gate. The idea that he was widely conSidered a top notch left tackle years ago is complete baloney.
Not everyone? Try ONE PERSON. Sac is the ONLY person on this board that wanted to draft Okung and move Albert to OG.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:33 AM   #11
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Not everyone? Try ONE PERSON. Sac is the ONLY person on this board that wanted to draft Okung and move Albert to OG.
I own up to that. I exaggerated, but at least I'm willing to admit it. But the argument is moving the uprights. The reason people rejected drafting Okung wasn't because they loved Albert's future. It's because they didn't want to spend a high pick on a lineman, let alone one they weren't in love with.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:35 AM   #12
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I own up to that. I exaggerated, but at least I'm willing to admit it. But the argument is moving the uprights. The reason people rejected drafting Okung wasn't because they loved Albert's future. It's because they didn't want to spend a high pick on a lineman, let alone one they weren't in love with.
That's also untrue.

I was one of the most vocal and it was absolutely BOTH - we didn't want a tackle AND we loved Albert's future.
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I own up to that. I exaggerated, but at least I'm willing to admit it. But the argument is moving the uprights. The reason people rejected drafting Okung wasn't because they loved Albert's future. It's because they didn't want to spend a high pick on a lineman, let alone one they weren't in love with.
LOL. Wrong again.
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Team quit on him. Says it all right there.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:24 AM   #15
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Team quit on him. Says it all right there.
So we should fire every coach who's team shows up uninspired for one week? Even after it was sheer motivation that almost had us beating Pittsburgh and beating even a hapless Chicago team behind palko? Because we didn't compete in those games because of our passing or running game.
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