Football See how Alex Smith performs in the red zone compared to rest of AFC West - Page 12

beach tribe · 07-16-2017, 09:33 AM

It was a breezy, borderline chilly, Sunday afternoon in mid-November last season. The 7-2 Kansas City Chiefs were at home against the five-loss Tampa Bay Buccaneers, rolling with a five-game winning streak that included victories over the New Orleans Saints at home and the Oakland Raiders and Carolina Panthers on the road.

It was also ... confession time ... my first visit to Arrowhead Stadium.

I will say, it was an experience I’ll never forget. The atmosphere, the tailgating, the fans ... it was all amazing. But, at the same time, it was just about as frustrating a game as you’ll ever see.

The funny thing is, though, Alex Smith had your typical, average Alex Smith performance. The Chiefs QB threw for 261 yards, had one touchdown and one rushing touchdown, along with one interception. Pretty so-so, but that seems to be then norm for No. 11. Spencer Ware rushed for 69 yards on 17 attempts, a stat line that pretty much was his average performance on the ground in 2016.

I did some digging and found the postgame column of The Kansas City Star’s Sam Mellinger. You don’t have to read too much to remind yourself of how that game panned out.

What could’ve been another ugly Chiefs win turned into an ugly-as-vomit 19-17 loss to the mediocre Buccaneers at home on Sunday the moment quarterback Alex Smith executed a bad throw, poorly leading to an interception in the end zone when even a field goal would’ve probably been enough to win.

The biggest frustration, aside from the inability of the offense to score, was the red zone performance by Smith. Most notably, Smith threw a crucial interception from Tampa Bay’s six-yard line (the one referenced by Sam above) with KC trailing 12-10 early in the fourth quarter.

I won’t spend too much time dwelling on the Smith interception, but it appeared to be a predetermined read, where Smith failed to notice Chris Conte waiting in the middle of the end zone.

And as a Chiefs fan, you probably feel that this missed throw in the tweet below by Smith is one you see every Sunday.

Click here to see Tigerupyourbutt's lover boy make one of the throws that led to his AFCW ranking:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/...red-zone-stats

The Chiefs scored in the red zone 46 percent of the time in 2016, which was 26th-best in the league. That’s about 10 percent worse than Kansas City’s red zone conversion rate in 2015.

Plus, what really makes the red zone inefficiency by Smith & Co. so frustrating is that the offensive line for the Chiefs did a pretty good job in 2016. According to Pro Football Focus, the Chiefs offensive line allowed the fewest pressures in 2016 (they tied with the Raiders) and Smith saw the lowest percentage of pressures on third down.

For an offense that operates like the Chiefs, scoring in the red zone has to be one of the most important parts of their game. Minus Tyreek Hill running wild throughout the field, there isn’t a big-play threat out there. It’s reasonable to contribute the lack of a play maker to Smith’s inability or unwillingness to take shots down the field.

So, if you were asked a trivia question on where Smith ranked in red zone passing performance in the AFC West in 2016, you’d be a winner if you answered with ... “dead last.”
2016 AFC West Red Zone QB Stats
Quarterback Passing Completion % Passing Yards TD INT Passer Rating Yards/Attempt Rushing Yards
Derek Carr 44/90 47% 306 19 1 91.9 3.4 -7
Philip Rivers 45/96 47% 333 22 2 86.5 3.5 1
Trevor Siemian 28/55 51% 164 10 1 89 3 5
Alex Smith 29/63 46% 167 11 3 72.7 2.7 51
Statistics via Pro Football Reference

The only real edge that Smith has over the other three quarterbacks actually has nothing to do with his passing game. He has 51 rushing yards; the other three have -6 combined rushing yards. Congratulations.

Trevor Siemian threw for one less touchdown than Smith did in the red zone in 2016 but had eight less pass attempts. Smith’s passer rating was 16.3 percentage points worse than the next-best rating, owned by Siemian (89).

The Chiefs are at the point now where no one reasonably expects them to be any better than an average offense so long as Smith is behind center. The AFC West won’t be an easy division to play in in 2017 by any means, and if the Chiefs want to compete for a playoff run, improvement in the red zone should be one of their highest priorities.

Sandy Vagina · 07-17-2017, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

In case you didn't notice, we just drafted his replacement.

Andy was like most of us were...Hopeful that Smith would grow a set.

He didn't..You hangers on are the only ones with any faith left in Smith whatsoever.

I "hangered on" no longer than Andy did, really.

I too kept waiting for Smith to take that last needed step. He did not, and I too would have wanted to draft a top QB. Just didn't like any of them enough to trade up to 10.

It would bother me not one bit if Smith suddenly elected to retire today. I'm ready for football, and IDGAF at this point who the QB is.

... but what fun could it be for you guys to believe this? Nope. Far more fun drama to believe I am falling apart over what is to come.

tredadda · 07-17-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Dorsey gambled and wanted the QBOTF now, rather than later, to LEARN from Smith. And his gambling in addition to his unprofessional handling of Maclin got him fired.

Next question.

He didn't get fired for drafting Mahomes. He could have had pretty much any QB yet took the one most unlike Smith. And he traded up for that guy. If everything else was the reason why Smith was being held back then they would have gone and got him more weapons earlier in the draft. Smith is limited because of himself, not the OLine, receivers, RBs, scheme, HC etc....

rico · 07-17-2017, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I "hangered on" no longer than Andy did, really.

I too kept waiting for Smith to take that last needed step. He did not, and I too would have wanted to draft a top QB. Just didn't like any of them enough to trade up to 10.

It would bother me not one bit if Smith suddenly elected to retire today. I'm ready for football, and IDGAF at this point who the QB is.

... but what fun could it be for you guys to believe this? Nope. Far more fun drama to believe I am falling apart over what is to come.

Lies and/or excuses infest every one of your posts. This time it's lies. As soon as the Chiefs move on from Smith, you will be falling apart. When Smith is no longer playing, football will no longer be a part of your life because to you, Alex is football. You'll probably break down and end up on Skid Row, giving out blowjobs for expired Subway stamps... Your meltdown will hit its peak when you go to Subway and try to purchase a sub sandwich and they inform you that they haven't had the Subway stamp deal for over 10 years. A bunch of BJ's for nothing. You'll just have to eat the stamps to get by. You'll be so heartbroken...

Pablo · 07-17-2017, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

So you're saying Smith won't be the QB this year? Weird.

Nice.

You know there's a whole lot of people crammed into a little area down in the RZ. Somebody with a whole lot of gigabytes could just get overwhelmed and overheat in those situations and decide to shit directly down their legs to cool off.

Pablo · 07-17-2017, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rico

Lies and/or excuses infest every one of your posts. This time it's lies. As soon as the Chiefs move on from Smith, you will be falling apart. When Smith is no longer playing, football will no longer be a part of your life because to you, Alex is football. You'll probably break down and end up on Skid Row, giving out blowjobs for expired Subway stamps... Your meltdown will hit its peak when you go to Subway and try to purchase a sub sandwich and they inform you that they haven't had the Subway stamp deal for over 10 years. A bunch of BJ's for nothing. You'll just have to eat the stamps to get by. You'll be so heartbroken...

Those paying customers are going to be pretty upset when the guy in the Smith jersey blowing them checks down to a handjob halfway through.

Sandy Vagina · 07-17-2017, 05:46 PM

See?!? Fun drama!!!! Got to have forum enemies, whoooo!!!!!

beach tribe · 07-17-2017, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I "hangered on" no longer than Andy did, really.

I too kept waiting for Smith to take that last needed step. He did not, and I too would have wanted to draft a top QB. Just didn't like any of them enough to trade up to 10.

It would bother me not one bit if Smith suddenly elected to retire today. I'm ready for football, and IDGAF at this point who the QB is.

... but what fun could it be for you guys to believe this? Nope. Far more fun drama to believe I am falling apart over what is to come.

I'm not trying to bash you here, but it's been obvious that you are not going to be able to deal with Smith getting canned for Mahomes, and will not be a Chiefs fan when it happens.

Every time this discussion comes up you talk about Smith retiring.

The reason for that, is so that you can say, Oh, Well, that's why they did it.
Smith told them he was retiring, so they drafted someone.

Smith is not retiring.

He's already stated that he feels like he has a lot of years left.

He's getting replaced because he's a pussy.
He's scared of the rush, and he's scared to let the ball loose.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 07-17-2017, 06:05 PM

#1 rated QB against blitz, runs for 5 touchdowns... yet somehow he is afraid of the rush.

The dumb is strong with this one

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2017, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

yet somehow he is afraid of the rush.

The dumb is strong with this one

You want to see what afraid of the rush is?

Say no more.

Scared pussy running from a blitzer who is seven yards away, when he should be loading up.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2017, 06:15 PM

Scared pussy abandoning a clean pocket for absolutely no reason.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2017, 06:17 PM

Another clean pocket he abandons when he should stand and throw a strike to either of those dudes in the middle of the field.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2017, 06:20 PM

Scared of the rush and runs his pussy ass right into a sack. Want me to keep going, you mental midget?

beach tribe · 07-17-2017, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

#1 rated QB against blitz, runs for 5 touchdowns... yet somehow he is afraid of the rush.

The dumb is strong with this one

He's #1 vs the rush because he never throws the ball more than 5 yards.
It's like you've never watched the guy play. He CONSTANTLY bails out of clean pockets. Look at all the gifs of missed TDs where he bails from phantom pressure.

He's DEAD LAST in air yards.
DEAD LAST in red zone efficiency.
27th in TD passes.
22nd in Yards passing.

Those are the #s of a QB that SUCKS.

You can cherry pick all the BS stats you want.

Even the ones that seem like he's good at, like the one you posted, are good because he sucks.
His rating is good vs the rush because he checks down or throws the ball behind the line of scrimmage.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2017, 06:22 PM

Clean pocket and runs from phantom pressure. Alex RUINS this pocket with his unnecessary movement.

beach tribe · 07-17-2017, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Another clean pocket he abandons when he should stand and throw a strike to either of those dudes in the middle of the field.

3 man rush. No pressure...Running for the sideline...

07-16-2017, 09:33 AM
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4808036	See how Alex Smith performs in the red zone compared to rest of AFC West It was a breezy, borderline chilly, Sunday afternoon in mid-November last season. The 7-2 Kansas City Chiefs were at home against the five-loss Tampa Bay Buccaneers, rolling with a five-game winning streak that included victories over the New Orleans Saints at home and the Oakland Raiders and Carolina Panthers on the road. It was also ... confession time ... my first visit to Arrowhead Stadium. I will say, it was an experience I’ll never forget. The atmosphere, the tailgating, the fans ... it was all amazing. But, at the same time, it was just about as frustrating a game as you’ll ever see. The funny thing is, though, Alex Smith had your typical, average Alex Smith performance. The Chiefs QB threw for 261 yards, had one touchdown and one rushing touchdown, along with one interception. Pretty so-so, but that seems to be then norm for No. 11. Spencer Ware rushed for 69 yards on 17 attempts, a stat line that pretty much was his average performance on the ground in 2016. I did some digging and found the postgame column of The Kansas City Star’s Sam Mellinger. You don’t have to read too much to remind yourself of how that game panned out. What could’ve been another ugly Chiefs win turned into an ugly-as-vomit 19-17 loss to the mediocre Buccaneers at home on Sunday the moment quarterback Alex Smith executed a bad throw, poorly leading to an interception in the end zone when even a field goal would’ve probably been enough to win. The biggest frustration, aside from the inability of the offense to score, was the red zone performance by Smith. Most notably, Smith threw a crucial interception from Tampa Bay’s six-yard line (the one referenced by Sam above) with KC trailing 12-10 early in the fourth quarter. I won’t spend too much time dwelling on the Smith interception, but it appeared to be a predetermined read, where Smith failed to notice Chris Conte waiting in the middle of the end zone. And as a Chiefs fan, you probably feel that this missed throw in the tweet below by Smith is one you see every Sunday. Click here to see Tigerupyourbutt's lover boy make one of the throws that led to his AFCW ranking: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/...red-zone-stats The Chiefs scored in the red zone 46 percent of the time in 2016, which was 26th-best in the league. That’s about 10 percent worse than Kansas City’s red zone conversion rate in 2015. Plus, what really makes the red zone inefficiency by Smith & Co. so frustrating is that the offensive line for the Chiefs did a pretty good job in 2016. According to Pro Football Focus, the Chiefs offensive line allowed the fewest pressures in 2016 (they tied with the Raiders) and Smith saw the lowest percentage of pressures on third down. For an offense that operates like the Chiefs, scoring in the red zone has to be one of the most important parts of their game. Minus Tyreek Hill running wild throughout the field, there isn’t a big-play threat out there. It’s reasonable to contribute the lack of a play maker to Smith’s inability or unwillingness to take shots down the field. So, if you were asked a trivia question on where Smith ranked in red zone passing performance in the AFC West in 2016, you’d be a winner if you answered with ... “dead last.” 2016 AFC West Red Zone QB Stats Quarterback Passing Completion % Passing Yards TD INT Passer Rating Yards/Attempt Rushing Yards Derek Carr 44/90 47% 306 19 1 91.9 3.4 -7 Philip Rivers 45/96 47% 333 22 2 86.5 3.5 1 Trevor Siemian 28/55 51% 164 10 1 89 3 5 Alex Smith 29/63 46% 167 11 3 72.7 2.7 51 Statistics via Pro Football Reference The only real edge that Smith has over the other three quarterbacks actually has nothing to do with his passing game. He has 51 rushing yards; the other three have -6 combined rushing yards. Congratulations. Trevor Siemian threw for one less touchdown than Smith did in the red zone in 2016 but had eight less pass attempts. Smith’s passer rating was 16.3 percentage points worse than the next-best rating, owned by Siemian (89). The Chiefs are at the point now where no one reasonably expects them to be any better than an average offense so long as Smith is behind center. The AFC West won’t be an easy division to play in in 2017 by any means, and if the Chiefs want to compete for a playoff run, improvement in the red zone should be one of their highest priorities.
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TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	#1 rated QB against blitz, runs for 5 touchdowns... yet somehow he is afraid of the rush. The dumb is strong with this one
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07-17-2017, 06:15 PM	#175
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4710478	Scared pussy abandoning a clean pocket for absolutely no reason.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4710478	Another clean pocket he abandons when he should stand and throw a strike to either of those dudes in the middle of the field.
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07-17-2017, 06:20 PM	#177
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4710478	Scared of the rush and runs his pussy ass right into a sack. Want me to keep going, you mental midget?
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07-17-2017, 06:22 PM	#179
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4710478	Clean pocket and runs from phantom pressure. Alex RUINS this pocket with his unnecessary movement.
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