OFFICIAL Debunking the Planet's Chiefs Myths Thread - Page 3

**DaKCMan AP** · 06:44 PM

This thread is dedicated to educating and correcting some growing myths that are perpetuating throughout this BB.

1. We should have kept Lawrence Tynes!

Not even no, HELL NO! Some people have very short memories. Lawrence Tynes missed a 23yd FG in the playoffs. YOU CANNOT COUNT ON A KICKER WHO MISSES A 23 YARD FG IN THE PLAYOFFS. He also missed extra points. This preseason he is kicking a dismal 33% and may get cut by the Giants.

While Medlock hasn't been perfect (50% thus far through 3 preseason games), he has a big leg and a lot of talent. He'll get better, but there may be some growing pains. If you want a young kicker to develop, you've got to stick with him.

For instance, in Nate Kaedings rookie year he kicked 80%, which isn't bad but wouldn't have cracked the top-20 last year. Since, he's improved each year (87.5 in 2005 and 89.7 in 2006). Matt Stover kicked at 72% his first 3 years in the league. He's averaged 86% over the last 13 seasons.

2. We have the worst offensive line in the league!

Yes, we have been spoiled throughout the years with greats such as Dave Szott, Tim Grunhard, John Alt, Will Shields and Willie Roaf among others. Our line, while not spectacular, is still very solid. Don't let the preseason fool you. We are solid inside with Waters-Weigman-Welbourne. Outside we improve at both tackle positions with Turley and McIntosh. We have yet to see our starting offensive line play together along with Jason Dunn and a blocking FB. Save the hysteria until we see the real unit take the field.

There are several teams with lines worse than ours - Oakland, Miami, Houston, Green Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Tampa and Detroit to name a few. For entertainment sake, here is an offensive line ranking from last season: http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80025d3e

Our line has improved from last season with the departure of I-65 and Sampson and the addition of McIntosh and moving Turley to RT.

3. Samie Parker will get cut!

Despite what goatcheese writes, Samie Parker will be a Chief during the 2007 season. The fact is that no other WR (Hannon, Webb, etc.) has stepped it up enough to take his job. Yes, Samie has the drops. Yes, many of us would like to see him go. However, it will not happen this year.

4. Damon "Downfield" Huard

For some reason many believe that Damon Huard cannot throw the long ball. Convinced, they are, that we are destined for a season of dump off passes in the flat, quick outs and 10 yard overthrown routes (since the furthest Damon can throw is 15yds, a 5 yard overthrow). None of these claims are true, however. Last season Damon Huard had the 9th longest completion in the NFL at 78 yards. In fact, in just 8 starts, Damon had 23 completions of 20+ yards and 5 of 40+.

5. We need to draft a Top-5 pick OT

This is absolute bullshit. A lot of top pick OTs don't pan out (see Robert Gallery, Mike Williams, Leonard Davis among others). Additionally we have a much greater need at QB than O-Line. We just signed McIntosh who can fill in at LT for a while. We should be able to sign a RT to take over for Turley in the offseason. As it stands now, our OLine is not that bad. Today we had a 4.5 ypc average. There were holes there for the running game. We also didn't yeild a single sack until after the game was 17-0. By then we were in obvious passing situations and no O-Line is going to stand up to that type of pressure. Brian Brohm, Colt McCoy, another WR or more D help? Fine. But a top-5 pick offensive lineman is not our #1 need. Even moreso because I don't think Jake Long is the answer.

More to come on an as-needed basis.

**DaKCMan AP** · 08-28-2007, 08:26 PM

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Stryker · 08-28-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by redbrian

"2. We have the worst offensive line in the league!"

Worst, probably not, top ten not even close, bad, you bet, bottom dweller absolutely (until proven otherwise, and that is no myth).

A-"F'N"-MEN!

Well put

**Tribal Warfare** · 08-28-2007, 08:49 PM

I had nightmare the other night that Medlock missed 4 straight kicks in a 40 yard range during a regular season game.

Logical · 08-28-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I had nightmare the other night that Medlock missed 4 straight kicks in a 40 yard range during a regular season game.

Look on the bright side he won't be missing any playoff field goals this year.

**alanm** · 08-28-2007, 09:01 PM

How do you know McIntosh is better? No one has seen him yet. Granted he has to be better than Black and I sure as hell don't want to see Svitek on the field unless the rest of the scrubs had limbs amputated. And as for Medlock we'll see. He's missed quite a few FG's already and I haven't been blown away by any stretch of the imagination by his KO's.

Stryker · 08-28-2007, 09:09 PM

3. Chiefsplanet changed the forum from the name "Lounge" to "PanicPlanet" for OBVIOUS REASONS

There's your sign!

Logical · 08-28-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

How do you know McIntosh is better? No one has seen him yet. Granted he has to be better than Black and I sure as hell don't want to see Svitek on the field unless the rest of the scrubs had limbs amputated. And as for Medlock we'll see. He's missed quite a few FG's already and I haven't been blown away by any stretch of the imagination by his KO's.

That is the spirit, you are getting the hang of it, soon you can join the Legion of Doom.

KCJohnny · 08-28-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Myth, except for KCJohnny. In his case it's truth.

Exactly. I am and have always been a true believer. Which is why I had to reject Ramifization and why for me, the jury is still out on the Herm Edwards Chiefs.

On the subject of myths, its also a myth that the Chiefs' organizational weakness is at QB. The Chiefs have sent nearly all of their starting QBs to the PB since 1990 - how many teams can say that?

**alanm** · 08-28-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

That is the spirit, you are getting the hang of it, soon you can join the Legion of Doom.

What do I have to lose. Being optimistic all these years since the Chiefs last appearance in the SB hasn't paid off. It's worth a shot.

keg in kc · 08-28-2007, 10:14 PM

You have pro bowlers, and you have perennial probowlers. Guys who truly excel at the position, recognized as the leader of their franchise for years.

The Chiefs have not had that. They don't have leaders, they don't have winners. They have game managers. No artists. Just mechanics.

Logical · 08-28-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Exactly. I am and have always been a true believer. Which is why I had to reject Ramifization and why for me, the jury is still out on the Herm Edwards Chiefs.

On the subject of myths, its also a myth that the Chiefs' organizational weakness is at QB. The Chiefs have sent nearly all of their starting QBs to the PB since 1990 - how many teams can say that?

When did Deberg make the Pro Bowl as a Chief? Matter of fact did Montana even make it as a Chief? Bono? On recall I am thinking you are having a amazing trip down memory lane.

unlurking · 08-28-2007, 10:19 PM

Regarding #1...

Am I the only one hear disappointed in Medlock's kick-offs? Christ, the guy is dropping them at the five (just like LT did), but the height he gets is abysmal! I DVR'd the last time, but never really got interested enough to watch it. If his kick-offs were no better than the first two games, our coverage unit is borked.

All I keep hearing from Medlock supporters his how strong his leg is and how accurate his kicks are. Yes, I think he will be a more accurate and consistent kicker than LT, but I see zero strength in his kick-offs, which IMO are just as important as field goals as they help the defense keep opponent points off the board.

**cdcox** · 08-28-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

When Deberg make the Pro Bowl as a Chief? Matter of fact did Montana even make it as a Chief? Bono? On recall I am thinking you are having a amazing trip down memory lane.

Deberg, no, but the other two yes, as a Chief.

**alanm** · 08-28-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Exactly. I am and have always been a true believer. Which is why I had to reject Ramifization and why for me, the jury is still out on the Herm Edwards Chiefs.

On the subject of myths, its also a myth that the Chiefs' organizational weakness is at QB. The Chiefs have sent nearly all of their starting QBs to the PB since 1990 - how many teams can say that?

Herm is from the tree of Marty. Outside of Cowher he's the best we could do. I certainly enjoyed Saunders offense. I just wish the Chiefs could have found a way to keep him as OC. I won't miss any of those guys on the other side of the ball who were stealing paychecks.

Logical · 08-28-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Deberg, no, but the other two yes, as a Chief.

I will admit I am shocked about Bono.

08-28-2007, 03:31 PM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6724952	OFFICIAL Debunking the Planet's Chiefs Myths Thread This thread is dedicated to educating and correcting some growing myths that are perpetuating throughout this BB. 1. We should have kept Lawrence Tynes! Not even no, HELL NO! Some people have very short memories. Lawrence Tynes missed a 23yd FG in the playoffs. YOU CANNOT COUNT ON A KICKER WHO MISSES A 23 YARD FG IN THE PLAYOFFS. He also missed extra points. This preseason he is kicking a dismal 33% and may get cut by the Giants. While Medlock hasn't been perfect (50% thus far through 3 preseason games), he has a big leg and a lot of talent. He'll get better, but there may be some growing pains. If you want a young kicker to develop, you've got to stick with him. For instance, in Nate Kaedings rookie year he kicked 80%, which isn't bad but wouldn't have cracked the top-20 last year. Since, he's improved each year (87.5 in 2005 and 89.7 in 2006). Matt Stover kicked at 72% his first 3 years in the league. He's averaged 86% over the last 13 seasons. 2. We have the worst offensive line in the league! Yes, we have been spoiled throughout the years with greats such as Dave Szott, Tim Grunhard, John Alt, Will Shields and Willie Roaf among others. Our line, while not spectacular, is still very solid. Don't let the preseason fool you. We are solid inside with Waters-Weigman-Welbourne. Outside we improve at both tackle positions with Turley and McIntosh. We have yet to see our starting offensive line play together along with Jason Dunn and a blocking FB. Save the hysteria until we see the real unit take the field. There are several teams with lines worse than ours - Oakland, Miami, Houston, Green Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Tampa and Detroit to name a few. For entertainment sake, here is an offensive line ranking from last season: http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80025d3e Our line has improved from last season with the departure of I-65 and Sampson and the addition of McIntosh and moving Turley to RT. 3. Samie Parker will get cut! Despite what goatcheese writes, Samie Parker will be a Chief during the 2007 season. The fact is that no other WR (Hannon, Webb, etc.) has stepped it up enough to take his job. Yes, Samie has the drops. Yes, many of us would like to see him go. However, it will not happen this year. 4. Damon "Downfield" Huard For some reason many believe that Damon Huard cannot throw the long ball. Convinced, they are, that we are destined for a season of dump off passes in the flat, quick outs and 10 yard overthrown routes (since the furthest Damon can throw is 15yds, a 5 yard overthrow). None of these claims are true, however. Last season Damon Huard had the 9th longest completion in the NFL at 78 yards. In fact, in just 8 starts, Damon had 23 completions of 20+ yards and 5 of 40+. 5. We need to draft a Top-5 pick OT This is absolute bullshit. A lot of top pick OTs don't pan out (see Robert Gallery, Mike Williams, Leonard Davis among others). Additionally we have a much greater need at QB than O-Line. We just signed McIntosh who can fill in at LT for a while. We should be able to sign a RT to take over for Turley in the offseason. As it stands now, our OLine is not that bad. Today we had a 4.5 ypc average. There were holes there for the running game. We also didn't yeild a single sack until after the game was 17-0. By then we were in obvious passing situations and no O-Line is going to stand up to that type of pressure. Brian Brohm, Colt McCoy, another WR or more D help? Fine. But a top-5 pick offensive lineman is not our #1 need. Even moreso because I don't think Jake Long is the answer. More to come on an as-needed basis. Last edited by DaKCMan AP; 09-09-2007 at 06:44 PM..
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unlurking MVP Join Date: Aug 2003 Casino cash: $7737309	Regarding #1... Am I the only one hear disappointed in Medlock's kick-offs? Christ, the guy is dropping them at the five (just like LT did), but the height he gets is abysmal! I DVR'd the last time, but never really got interested enough to watch it. If his kick-offs were no better than the first two games, our coverage unit is borked. All I keep hearing from Medlock supporters his how strong his leg is and how accurate his kicks are. Yes, I think he will be a more accurate and consistent kicker than LT, but I see zero strength in his kick-offs, which IMO are just as important as field goals as they help the defense keep opponent points off the board.
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