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big nasty kcnut · 04-30-2007, 10:58 PM

Did yoiu guys see the ecw guys on raw getting pissed that vince won the ecw belts and tommy speaking from his heart. I so want to see them kill vince soul tomorrow.

Mecca · 05-08-2007, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I just hope The Miz isn't the future of the business.

LOL....you hate the real world?

He is what he is a swarmy fratty douche bag you are suppose to hate then he yells hoo-rah for no reason.........

I'm pretty sure the WWE knows his role doesn't extent much past what it is now, he plays it well. Hell they put him in matches with guys that just beat the shit out of him, I thought he did really well with Finlay this past Friday.

I think he's gotten better but he'll never be more than a middle level guy unless something really weird happens.

keg in kc · 05-08-2007, 02:02 AM

Well, I was being facetious...

I thought he did real well with Finlay, though.

Mecca · 05-08-2007, 02:04 AM

I think people get kinda down these days because there isn't anyone sitting there that makes you go "that guy is the future" WWE or TNA I think there are some guy there who can be solid maineventers but there's no transcending figure.

Orton can mainevent if he'd ever get his shit together.

Coach Mac · 05-08-2007, 02:21 AM

I agree with mostly everything that has been said, as far as the top of the rosters being so thin in talent. For that reason, I like what the WWE has done in terms of having all the PPV's feature all three brands. It allows the chance to have cross promotional fueds, which we haven't seen yet, but I suspect we will by the end of the year. With the success of Angle/HBK at WM21, and even RVD/Cena last year, I feel programs between the tops stars on seperate shows is a good thing.

Where I tend to focus is how little time these mid-carders get to perfect their craft. Look at the old Clique, Curt "Mr. Perfect" Henning, Bret Hart, etc. Each of these individuals were able to sit as a midcard talent for a number of years and develope a fan base. Now, they stick the IC belt on Carlito or Nitro and if they don't attract an "Austin-like" following, they get stuck on Heat. I have the same beef about the Tag-Team division. No longer are there mainstays like the Hart Foundation, Demolition, Rockers, Steiners, Headshrinkers, etc. I feel Duece and Domino, and Haas and Benjamin are great teams but need more time, instead of getting stuck in dark matches with the likes of Viscera and Venis.

Personally, I say combine the tag belts and let them jump from show-to-show --- which brings me back to the whole notion of cross-promotional fueds.

Sorry for the long post , but I just wanted to chime in.

Ultra Peanut · 05-08-2007, 02:26 AM

Kennedy, no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think it's a shame Masters isn't more popular than he is (or, well, gets better heat).

You are ****ing insane.

big nasty kcnut · 05-08-2007, 02:27 AM

I think if rvd was smart he put in his contract that the ecw old schoolers get pushes and they trian and pick the guys to fued and pushed. Cause those guys know the business.

Ultra Peanut · 05-08-2007, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

TNA is basically WWE Jr, with worse storylines and even fewer guys people care about.

TNA is WCW 2000 mixed with more stupidity. "Hey, I know! Let's keep ****ing over our talent, paying them shit wages, and booking them in incredibly stupid ways! That'll make us successful!"

They have too much good talent to be pissing it all away like they're doing.

Coach Mac · 05-08-2007, 02:29 AM

I personally have liked KK since day one. I really enjoy him on mic, no matter what others have to say, and I think he pulls off his heel gimmick much in the way Michaels did in the early 1990's.

What bugs me is KK in the ring. Not that he doesn't have talent, but I just get bored watching his "Anderson" type matches where he takes away one body part and goes to town on it. That might have worked in the NWA-GCW in 1977, but I don't want to watch that now. KK vs. Batista at the Rumble this year was horrible.

Mecca · 05-08-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

TNA is WCW 2000 mixed with more stupidity. "Hey, I know! Let's keep ****ing over our talent, paying them shit wages, and booking them in incredibly stupid ways! That'll make us successful!"

They have too much good talent to be pissing it all away like they're doing.

I think they have "some" talent, but I seriously bust out laughing when they act like they are competing with WWE.

keg in kc · 05-08-2007, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

You are ****ing insane.

Maybe I should've phrased that as "It's a shame Masters isn't better".

As in it's a shame that one of the few guys in the company who actually wants to be a wrestler, who actually cares about it, isn't better at it.

keg in kc · 05-08-2007, 03:13 AM

I would say that TNA has as much or more talent on their roster as WWE does, in terms of pure wrestling ability. The problem is, they can't book worth a shit, so nobody gets over.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-08-2007, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Kennedy, no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

You are ****ing insane.

Tore his tricep. 'Tis the bid'ness.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-08-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I would say that TNA has as much or more talent on their roster as WWE does, in terms of pure wrestling ability. The problem is, they can't book worth a shit, so nobody gets over.

That's what happens when your booking crew consists of Jeff Jarrett and Vince Russo. Jarrett should have never been elevated above the mid-card, but he's the HHH of their promotion, and Russo is a raving lunatic w/o the editorial process that the WWE gave him (which says a lot about how bad he is that he needs said editorial process).

Mecca · 05-08-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's what happens when your booking crew consists of Jeff Jarrett and Vince Russo. Jarrett should have never been elevated above the mid-card, but he's the HHH of their promotion, and Russo is a raving lunatic w/o the editorial process that the WWE gave him (which says a lot about how bad he is that he needs said editorial process).

You forgot the dumbass that is Dutch Mantell.......

I don't think TNA has the talent the WWE does......I also don't think they have the eye for talent or the ability to book anyone decently.

TNA is a promotion full of WWE castoffs, has beens, and then their undercard guys some of them are talented but for the most part they are just indy spot monkeys. The few they had that had any potential have been ruined by their poor booking........

For every AJ Styles and Samoa Joe there's guys like Petey Williams and Bobby Roode and tons of other useless people........

If Samoa Joe has the chance to leave he should because right now being Monty Brown in WWE>being Samoa Joe in TNA.

jlscorpio · 05-08-2007, 09:49 AM

I'm lovin' this thread. I've been a fan since around '81...Georgia, Mid-south, World Class, pre-Hogan WWF, Crockett Mid-Atlantic. I've remained a fan throughout all the different "era's", including now. I think killing the territories did do major damage to WWF/E's ability to develop talent. They got so lucky with Austin/Rock/Foley in the late 90's. If not for them, the WWE would literally have gone bankrupt being buried in the ratings by the nWo. There's parts of WWE and TNA that I like, but neither has the wow factor that the nWo and Austin/Rock had in their day. Edge is very solid, but injuries have kept him from really realizing his potential in his career. Orton is gold in-ring, but his mic work can be brutal. Kennedy will be very good, but, like Edge, he has to stay healthy to progress. CM Punk is a personal fave of mine, but he may be doomed in the political world of planet Vince. AJ and Daniels in TNA are dynamite, but would their style/look translate to WWE? Likely not. They may suffer the same fate as Lawler in the 80's: being a big fish in a little pond. Just my .02, keep posting wrestling threads, dudes.

04-30-2007, 10:58 PM
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $1500900	To reaper and ultra Did yoiu guys see the ecw guys on raw getting pissed that vince won the ecw belts and tommy speaking from his heart. I so want to see them kill vince soul tomorrow.
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05-08-2007, 02:02 AM	#62
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Well, I was being facetious... I thought he did real well with Finlay, though.
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05-08-2007, 02:04 AM	#63
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2497050	I think people get kinda down these days because there isn't anyone sitting there that makes you go "that guy is the future" WWE or TNA I think there are some guy there who can be solid maineventers but there's no transcending figure. Orton can mainevent if he'd ever get his shit together.
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05-08-2007, 02:21 AM	#64
Coach Mac Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Casino cash: $10004900	I agree with mostly everything that has been said, as far as the top of the rosters being so thin in talent. For that reason, I like what the WWE has done in terms of having all the PPV's feature all three brands. It allows the chance to have cross promotional fueds, which we haven't seen yet, but I suspect we will by the end of the year. With the success of Angle/HBK at WM21, and even RVD/Cena last year, I feel programs between the tops stars on seperate shows is a good thing. Where I tend to focus is how little time these mid-carders get to perfect their craft. Look at the old Clique, Curt "Mr. Perfect" Henning, Bret Hart, etc. Each of these individuals were able to sit as a midcard talent for a number of years and develope a fan base. Now, they stick the IC belt on Carlito or Nitro and if they don't attract an "Austin-like" following, they get stuck on Heat. I have the same beef about the Tag-Team division. No longer are there mainstays like the Hart Foundation, Demolition, Rockers, Steiners, Headshrinkers, etc. I feel Duece and Domino, and Haas and Benjamin are great teams but need more time, instead of getting stuck in dark matches with the likes of Viscera and Venis. Personally, I say combine the tag belts and let them jump from show-to-show --- which brings me back to the whole notion of cross-promotional fueds. Sorry for the long post , but I just wanted to chime in.
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05-08-2007, 02:27 AM	#66
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $1500900	I think if rvd was smart he put in his contract that the ecw old schoolers get pushes and they trian and pick the guys to fued and pushed. Cause those guys know the business. __________________ When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce. You woke up the wrong mother****er!
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05-08-2007, 02:29 AM	#68
Coach Mac Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Casino cash: $10004900	I personally have liked KK since day one. I really enjoy him on mic, no matter what others have to say, and I think he pulls off his heel gimmick much in the way Michaels did in the early 1990's. What bugs me is KK in the ring. Not that he doesn't have talent, but I just get bored watching his "Anderson" type matches where he takes away one body part and goes to town on it. That might have worked in the NWA-GCW in 1977, but I don't want to watch that now. KK vs. Batista at the Rumble this year was horrible.
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05-08-2007, 03:13 AM	#71
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I would say that TNA has as much or more talent on their roster as WWE does, in terms of pure wrestling ability. The problem is, they can't book worth a shit, so nobody gets over.
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05-08-2007, 09:49 AM	#75
jlscorpio Veteran Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Casino cash: $10004900	I'm lovin' this thread. I've been a fan since around '81...Georgia, Mid-south, World Class, pre-Hogan WWF, Crockett Mid-Atlantic. I've remained a fan throughout all the different "era's", including now. I think killing the territories did do major damage to WWF/E's ability to develop talent. They got so lucky with Austin/Rock/Foley in the late 90's. If not for them, the WWE would literally have gone bankrupt being buried in the ratings by the nWo. There's parts of WWE and TNA that I like, but neither has the wow factor that the nWo and Austin/Rock had in their day. Edge is very solid, but injuries have kept him from really realizing his potential in his career. Orton is gold in-ring, but his mic work can be brutal. Kennedy will be very good, but, like Edge, he has to stay healthy to progress. CM Punk is a personal fave of mine, but he may be doomed in the political world of planet Vince. AJ and Daniels in TNA are dynamite, but would their style/look translate to WWE? Likely not. They may suffer the same fate as Lawler in the 80's: being a big fish in a little pond. Just my .02, keep posting wrestling threads, dudes. __________________ For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't believe, no explanation will do.
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