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Old 10-02-2013, 09:35 AM  
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Ranking the starters By Gregg Rosenthal
1. Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos
2. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints
3. Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers
4. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers
5. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts
6. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons
7. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys
8. Jay Cutler, Chicago Bears
9. Tom Brady, New England Patriots
10. Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks
11. Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions
12. Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles
13. Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins
14. Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 49ers
15. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers
16. Eli Manning, New York Giants
17. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens
18. Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins
19. Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers
20. Jake Locker, Tennessee Titans
21. Terrelle Pryor, Oakland Raiders
22. Matt Schaub, Houston Texans
23. Brian Hoyer, Cleveland Browns
24. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati Bengals
25. Alex Smith, Kansas City Chiefs
26. Carson Palmer, Arizona Cardinals
27. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams
28. Christian Ponder, Minnesota Vikings
29. EJ Manuel, Buffalo Bills
30. Geno Smith, New York Jets
31. Mike Glennon, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
32. Blaine Gabbert, Jacksonville Jaguars

He explains his choices in the article...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...e-starters-132

Do you guys agree?

Most people don't...
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:01 PM   #76
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The pick on the pass to Bowe was not a good decision. It was a terrible decision. Yes, Bowe failed to get inside position, but Smith has to recognize it when the defender has jumped the route from the start.
That's simply not fair. This is a quick timing throw. How is the QB supposed to know that a WR like Bowe will get out-muscled/out-positioned for the spot?

Alex is throwing the ball as Bowe makes his cut. If he waits to see who gets position, by then, it's generally too late. It is expected that the stronger WR who knows where he is going can get the inside spot over the weaker CB that doesn't know where he is going.

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Old 10-02-2013, 03:09 PM   #77
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That's simply not fair. This is a quick timing throw. How is the QB supposed to know that a WR like Bowe will get out-muscled/out-positioned for the spot?

Alex is throwing the ball as Bowe makes his cut. If he waits to see who gets position, by then, it's generally too late. It is expected that the stronger WR who knows where he is going can get the inside spot over the weaker CB that doesn't know where he is going.

No worries- now we don't have to hear the announcers jinx us by bringing it up.
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:22 PM   #78
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And yet from a production standpoint Smith has been no worse than Wilson's equal.

You say the only thing he's better at Wilson than is 'being safe' but if the production is so similar despite beater physical tools from Wilson, couldn't you pretty easily amend that to say he simply makes better decisions than Wilson on balance?

I don't ultimately take umbrage with the idea that Wilson's better - I think he is. But to say he's a lot better is to pretty much ignore their respective resume's of late.
That's a fair argument.

We agree that Wilson is better, just not on how much.
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:31 PM   #79
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Disappointing? We haven't trailed in a game yet, what is disappointing in that? It cracks me up that some of you think Smith needs to throw it down field, he has only three passes over 20 yards. blah blah blah!!! He doesn't have to throw it down field, WHY RISK IT?! Last week they came out a little slow, ok. No big deal. Uh 4th qtr uh look at the scoreboard!
whoa slow your roll son -- I said "somewhat disappointing" and I gave a brief script about it.

Keep in mind sitting in the stands I can see the whole play develop and I can see WR's get off the ball, into their routes -- you guys at home can't see that very often.

And, you have me pegged wrong -- I am one of the posters here that has at very least, stuck up for Smiff and this trade.
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oh, and we did trail in the DAL game
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:34 PM   #81
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If it weren't for Schaub's reeruned interception, everyone would have been talking about how Russell Wilson threw that game away on his own terrible pick.

And I ****ing LOVE russ.

alex smith should absolutely be in the top 15 and probably top ten of this list right now. These are just the QBs I HAVE WATCHED lose a game for their team this year and are ranked higher:

12. Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles
14. Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 49ers
15. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers
16. Eli Manning, New York Giants
17. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens
18. Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins
22. Matt Schaub, Houston Texans
24. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati Bengals

I have to argue that Smith should be above every one of these guys, or eight spots higher. He hasn't cost his team a game, and all them have.

That would put him at #17, which is still low, but I think much more fair.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:38 PM   #82
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If it weren't for Schaub's reeruned interception, everyone would have been talking about how Russell Wilson threw that game away on his own terrible pick.

And I ****ing LOVE russ.

alex smith should absolutely be in the top 15 and probably top ten of this list right now. These are just the QBs I HAVE WATCHED lose a game for their team this year and are ranked higher:

12. Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles
14. Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 49ers
15. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers
16. Eli Manning, New York Giants
17. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens
18. Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins
22. Matt Schaub, Houston Texans
24. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati Bengals

I have to argue that Smith should be above every one of these guys, or eight spots higher. He hasn't cost his team a game, and all them have.

That would put him at #17, which is still low, but I think much more fair.
Agreed.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:36 PM   #84
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It's nice to see other fans sticking up for Alex, I think he's a top 15 QB in the league, not 25. Does he belong above Romo.... maybe but definetly above Vick and Eli if you're going off this year so far.
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Wow, people are inferring a lot from a 4 game sample size. Hell, I'm surprised some of you didn't already put John Buck into the HOF after his April this year
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Yup our 3rd down conversions wouldn't look half as good as they did without Smith's feet.
he's relatively smart about it too. Seems to have decent vision.
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that guys like Vick and Romo are rated higher than Smith. you guys can keep your fantasy stats....ill take the QB who makes better decisions in crunch time. every single time.....
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I don't see any way you can infer that Russel Wilson and Cutler are top 10 QB's this year.
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Tom Brady is 4-0 throwing to a bunch of guys 5 people couldn't name. I'm pretty sure his receivers are the guys from the Key and Peele football intro sketch. There's no way he's outside the top 3. If Manning wasn't having an all-time great stretch Brady should probably be #1. He still might be deserving of 1 despite of Manning's numbers.
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