Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

If I am not mistaken, the Chargers have one of the best TE's of all time in Gates. They also have a lot of weapons while not known, have been very good, including Keenan Allen who has been outstanding.

And the pats to start the season, looked like complete dog shit until Gronk came back.

Would peyton manning get more out of this offense than Alex Smith?

Absolutely. Tell me something. Without Julio Jones, and Roddy White, how has Matt Ryan looked?

This is Alex Smith. Smith without phenomenal talent, is Matt Ryan.

Don't tell me that talent wouldn't help alex smith.

Great weapons make mediocre qbs look great. Have for years.

yes, elite qbs can make okay talent look better, it can also work the other way.

Even with a great qb, the talent on the chiefs would still be mediocre.

Its that bad.

Including Alex Smith. Hes included. Everyone on the offense outside of Charles is in that Category.

So.... we can either use all our resources providing enough "Weapons" around Alice Smith for him to look adequate. Or we can simply replace our limited QB and see the offense instantly improve.

Replace 10 other guys to make one look good.... or replace one to make the other 10 look good? Hmmmmmmm...... Where on Earth have we heard that before?

And the last bolded sentence is pure bullshit. If Peyton Manning were the Chiefs QB, we'd be straight rapin everybody and you know it.

[gold_and_red]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I advocate for drafting a QB.

I've seen the whole song and dance of trading for scraps of other teams to know that it doesnt ****ing work 99.9% of the time. Teams don't willingly trade a franchise QB.

But, "there was no one in the draft worthy of picking..."

And for every time thats said, there's almost always 1 or 2 that turned out to be worthy of picking.

Dorsey and Reid looked at this roster and decided to operate in win-now mode. Drafting a QB early and hoping that he will pan out requires 2-3 years of growing pains unless we luck into a Brady/Wilson types.
I think playmaking ability at WR and TE is more important if this O has to take the next step. We are not changing the QB of a team that is going to win at least 10 games and will be in the playoffs.

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by Snapplez

Cutting Cassel wasn't a mistake. But if improving the offensive talent around Cassel Jr. is all it takes to make the qb good why spend 2 picks getting Cassel Jr. instead of improving offensive talent?

It's like you can't even ****ing read.

I admit I'm not so great at reading. I think, for example, I haven't grasped whether or not you would have kept Cassel. This is, perhaps, entirely based on the above post.

Do you really believe that Smith is no better than Cassel? If so, well, I guess we don't really need to be having any kind of serious discussion.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by gold_and_red

Dorsey and Reid looked at this roster and decided to operate in win-now mode. Drafting a QB early and hoping that he will pan out requires 2-3 years of growing pains unless we luck into a Brady/Wilson types.
I think playmaking ability at WR and TE is more important if this O has to take the next step. We are not changing the QB of a team that is going to win at least 10 games and will be in the playoffs.

Cassel won 10 games and made the playoffs.

**** Smith.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Well, we can agree on this.

We just can't seem to put it all together on the same play, consistently.

We come out on our first offensive play of the game and Albert false starts. A very short time later, Alex hits Avery with a perfect back-shoulder pass that's dropped. On the very next play, Smith overthrows McGrath who had a step on the defender.

It's maddening but I think that's what continues to give so many people here hope for our offense.

we are all hoping that Bray steps up and wins the QB job next year.

Bray behind this Oline would be death, he can't move and our Oline stinks.

Our Defense was good enough to win against Denver
Jamaal Charles and Knile Davis were good enough to win
Alex Smith was good enough to win


everyone else was not

[gold_and_red]

Originally Posted by Fish

So.... we can either use all our resources providing enough "Weapons" around Alice Smith for him to look adequate. Or we can simply replace our limited QB and see the offense instantly improve.

Replace 10 other guys to make one look good.... or replace one to make the other 10 look good? Hmmmmmmm...... Where on Earth have we heard that before?

And the last bolded sentence is pure bullshit. If Peyton Manning were the Chiefs QB, we'd be straight rapin everybody and you know it.

So who is available to replace Alex while also not jeopardizing our SB aspirations in the short term?

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I advocate for drafting a QB.

I've seen the whole song and dance of trading for scraps of other teams to know that it doesnt ****ing work 99.9% of the time. Teams don't willingly trade a franchise QB.

But, "there was no one in the draft worthy of picking..."

And for every time thats said, there's almost always 1 or 2 that turned out to be worthy of picking.

Well, yeah, in hindsight. That's not so helpful.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

Well, yeah, in hindsight. That's not so helpful.

Neither is never taking a ****ing shot.

[Snapplez]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

I admit I'm not so great at reading. I think, for example, I haven't grasped whether or not you would have kept Cassel. This is, perhaps, entirely based on the above post.

Do you really believe that Smith is no better than Cassel? If so, well, I guess we don't really need to be having any kind of serious discussion.

The name of the game on offense is to score points. Cassel couldn't, Smith can't. So where's the big difference?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by gold_and_red

So who is available to replace Alex while also not jeopardizing our SB aspirations in the short term?

Right now? We're not benching Smith or acquiring anyone else this year, that's silly. Not after trading 2 #2 picks for him. It's too late now, that train left the station long ago. The problem was that it left the station before most other options could even be considered...

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'm a Chiefs fan and I can say that that SF team had twice the talent on offense that we do.

Jamaal is the only player we can say is better and that's including every position on the offensive line.

Duncan and I have been having this discussion for a few pages...he'd disagree strongly with you...I didn't see you jump in that conversation :P

[durtyrute]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

we are all hoping that Bray steps up and wins the QB job next year.

Bray behind this Oline would be death, he can't move and our Oline stinks.

Our Defense was good enough to win against Denver
Jamaal Charles and Knile Davis were good enough to win
Alex Smith was good enough to win


everyone else was not

Bolded for truth

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Cassel won 10 games and made the playoffs.

**** Smith.

You can't be serious. So you are saying that Cassel should have kept his job as starting QB for the Chiefs in 2013? That is your argument?

Or is it that we should have just drafted QB's in every round because surely one of them will turn out worthy of being picked?

[chiefsfan4life1978]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Our Defense was good enough to win against Denver
Jamaal Charles and Knile Davis were good enough to win
Alex Smith was good enough to win


everyone else was not

THIS!

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Fish

Right now? We're not benching Smith or acquiring anyone else this year, that's silly. Not after trading 2 #2 picks for him. It's too late now, that train left the station long ago. The problem was that it left the station before most other options could even be considered...

Yes.. And by making a trade that now strips us of two 2nd round picks and posting what, realistically speaking, will be an 11-5ish record, we're likely married to the guy for another season or two.

I know Reid's moved on from starting QBs in the past, but I'll wait until I see him do it before I count on it happening here.