JWhit doubles down on Guns, NRA, KKK

[teedubya]

The Powers that Be will use any situation they can to further their agenda... JWhit is unknowingly trumpeting their agenda...

If we have no guns... those that have them will slaughter those who have no way to protect themselves. It's been like that throughout time.

Those who have the guns become the barbarians... and those who are law-abiding and don't have guns... end up dead in ditches when the regime decides it's time to cull the flock.

[memyselfI]

He needs to be careful. He is treading in territory that might not be wise.

[Goldmember]

I don't really know where I stand on this issue. I don't own a gun but I'm thinking of getting a hand gun for personal protection. I've gone to shooting ranges a couple of times, but would take hand gun training classes if I bought one. If confronted with a situation where my life or my family was at danger, I'm not sure how I'd react. If you hesitate to shoot the bad guy, you may die. I have a pretty bad temper and I think a gun could get me into trouble. There were times during my divorce (20 years ago) I had some pretty bad thoughts of what to do to my ex-wife. If I had a gun, it I might have gone through with it and could have ended up like Belcher. It was one of the low points of my life, but I sought out counseling because I didn't feel in control of my anger.

In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Goldmember

I don't really know where I stand on this issue. I don't own a gun but I'm thinking of getting a hand gun for personal protection. I've gone to shooting ranges a couple of times, but would take hand gun training classes if I bought one. If confronted with a situation where my life or my family was at danger, I'm not sure how I'd react. If you hesitate to shoot the bad guy, you may die. I have a pretty bad temper and I think a gun could get me into trouble. There were times during my divorce (20 years ago) I had some pretty bad thoughts of what to do to my ex-wife. If I had a gun, it I might have gone through with it and could have ended up like Belcher. It was one of the low points of my life, but I sought out counseling because I didn't feel in control of my anger.

In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...a-is-safer-now

orth reading since they reference data that is newer than 2007. The dude at the Atlantic was doing a history lesson, not reporting.

[Goldmember]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...a-is-safer-now

orth reading since they reference data that is newer than 2007. The dude at the Atlantic was doing a history lesson, not reporting.

I may have missed something here, but there's nothing in this article to indicate more guns equates to less crime.

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Goldmember

I may have missed something here, but there's nothing in this article to indicate more guns equates to less crime.

Like most things related to the subject its correlation.....Gun ownership is at an all time high as I understand it. And as the article states crime is down rather substantially. Is one a cause of the other? Probably not. But, neither can we say that the rise in gun ownership has created more crime.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Goldmember

...In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#

It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.

What you need to do here is point people to Switzerland. They have a higher gun ownership rate and almost no gun violence.

Then he comes back with how Switzerland also has much stricter gun laws.

Then you come back with our gun laws work perfectly when people follow them. Swiss gun laws work because they have a manageable population and less crime in general.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Then you come back with our gun laws work perfectly when people follow them....

Bingo! The law abiding follow the laws, the lawless dont. Which is why the need for the citizens to have guns. You got it!

I'll excuse the 'manageable population' comments...I'll let it go.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Bingo! The law abiding follow the laws, the lawless dont. Which is why the need for the citizens to have guns. You got it!

I'll excuse the 'manageable population' comments...I'll let it go.

Whoops, that was supposed to be his next argument. I'm sure you can take it from there.

[Goldmember]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.

You see, it's self-perpetuating. "They have guns, so I need guns". That's why I'm thinking of getting a gun, and to take out zombies during the apocalypse.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Goldmember

You see, it's self-perpetuating. "They have guns, so I need guns". That's why I'm thinking of getting a gun, and to take out zombies during the apocalypse.

Bottom line is you can only protect yourself and your loved ones. No one else is going to do it when something bad happens. Be greatful you have the right to do so.

[Gravedigger]

I'm not an NRA member, and I don't own a gun, but honestly if Belcher would've done what he did with a knife, this story never gets written. Whitlock using a tragedy to reiterate his own thoughts on a subject that is very loosely connected is in poor taste. You can't always attack guns when something like this happens, if he would've written an article that opened eyes about NFL players and spousal abuse, or domestic violence, then it would've been a better read.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Goldmember

I don't really know where I stand on this issue. I don't own a gun but I'm thinking of getting a hand gun for personal protection. I've gone to shooting ranges a couple of times, but would take hand gun training classes if I bought one. If confronted with a situation where my life or my family was at danger, I'm not sure how I'd react. If you hesitate to shoot the bad guy, you may die. I have a pretty bad temper and I think a gun could get me into trouble. There were times during my divorce (20 years ago) I had some pretty bad thoughts of what to do to my ex-wife. If I had a gun, it I might have gone through with it and could have ended up like Belcher. It was one of the low points of my life, but I sought out counseling because I didn't feel in control of my anger.

In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#

Good lord...for the love of god never get a gun.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Goldmember

I don't really know where I stand on this issue. I don't own a gun but I'm thinking of getting a hand gun for personal protection. I've gone to shooting ranges a couple of times, but would take hand gun training classes if I bought one. If confronted with a situation where my life or my family was at danger, I'm not sure how I'd react. If you hesitate to shoot the bad guy, you may die. I have a pretty bad temper and I think a gun could get me into trouble. There were times during my divorce (20 years ago) I had some pretty bad thoughts of what to do to my ex-wife. If I had a gun, it I might have gone through with it and could have ended up like Belcher. It was one of the low points of my life, but I sought out counseling because I didn't feel in control of my anger.

In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#

That link/report is not very useful in the analysis of gun related murder because it excludes the most common drug associated with gun related murder -- alcohol.

Have a look at this-

Alcohol link in 47% of murders

ALMOST half the homicides between 2000 and 2006 involved the consumption of alcohol, according to figures in a report.

A paper released by the Australian Institute of Criminology showed that of the 1565 murders recorded in that period, 746 or 47 per cent were classified as alcohol-related and, in 60 per cent of these incidents, the victim and offender had been drinking alcohol.

The Alcohol and Homicide in Australia paper drew on victim toxicology reports.

The institute's general manager (research), Dr Judy Putt, said eight of 10 homicides occurring in recreational venues were alcohol related and homicides on weekends or evenings were most likely to involve alcohol.

"Factors like gender, employment status, age, the relationship between victim and offender, as well as whether those involved were of indigenous backgrounds, affected the likelihood of alcohol being involved," Dr Putt said.

"Homicides involving male victims, unemployed victims and young offenders were also identified as most likely to have been alcohol related."

The paper also shows that 44 per cent of intimate partner homicides were alcohol related.

"The study found homicides where a male victim was killed by a female intimate partner were highly likely to be related to alcohol consumption (73 per cent), indicating that it is a more significant factor in intimate partner homicide than indicated by previous studies.

"Eighty-seven per cent of intimate partner homicides among the indigenous population were alcohol related, making it the highest proportion of alcohol-related homicide of all factors studied," Dr Putt said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/alcoh...#ixzz2E5XxDyr1