Time to worry?

cadmonkey · 09-20-2004, 10:23 AM

I am not trying to be a dick, I'm just asking a serious question.

Most of you have said that, with the re-hiring of Gunther, your Defense would be much better. I have yet to see the proof of this. Your run defense has made me feel like I am watching Walter Payton the last two weeks. As good as your Offense is, you can't expect them to put up 40 points per game, even though you easily could.

The reason why I am asking if you are worried yet is because over the off season there were a lot of threads about predicting the Chiefs record this year. Most of you said you would end up either 12-4 or 14-2, some even went as low as saying 10-6, but none of you said anything about losing even one of these first two games.

Are any of you worried about the rest of the seaon, and do you now think Gunther wasn't the answer?

jcroft · 09-20-2004, 10:26 AM

Wow, people said we would be 14-2? That's insane.

I said 10-6 from the begining, adn i stand by that. Am I worried? Yeah -- but not about the defense. The defense is about what I expected. It's a bit improved, and should continue to improve, but overall still won't be that good.

The problem is that our offense isn't putting up anywhere near 40 points and doesn't show any signs that it will be any time soon. If the offense gets it's shit together, we should stil lmake the playoffs. If not, we're doomed.

My hunch: around the time of the bye week, the defense will really be coming together. And, about that same time we'll finally get pretty healthy on offense. I say we're 2-2 or 1-3 at the bye, but we come out of it rolling and finish 10-6, 9-7 at the worst.

cadmonkey · 09-20-2004, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

My hunch: around the time of the bye week, the defense will really be coming together. And, about that same time we'll finally get pretty healthy on offense. I say we're 2-2 or 1-3 at the bye, but we come out of it rolling and finish 10-6, 9-7 at the worst.

Will 10-6 or 9-7 win you the West?..or are you shooting for a Wild Card. I really can't believe I am even asking this after the second week but as an outside looking in to your Chiefs world, I think its a legitamite question.

Gaz · 09-20-2004, 10:29 AM

I think you will find that most of us thought our Defense would be better with Gunther’s ‘tude, but that it would take some time.

As jcroft pointed out, the problem is with our Offense.

xoxo~
Gaz
Did not expect to be worried about the O after two games.

LVNHACK · 09-20-2004, 10:29 AM

I don't think most of us thought Gunther was gonna fix everything. Many of us called for other changes also.

TEX · 09-20-2004, 10:30 AM

Yep. It's officilly time to worry now. In a few more weeks, it won't matter.

As others have said, I'm more worried about the offense.

KCTitus · 09-20-2004, 10:30 AM

You can worry, now, if you want...

Im not going to panic, yet, and hope that things can change and KC can get into the playoffs.

I learned last year, it's not how well you're playing in Sept, but how well you're playing in December that determines your chances in the post season.

Then again, come December, maybe it wont matter...either way, I wont give up hope until KC's mathematically eliminated.

stevieray · 09-20-2004, 10:32 AM

only for those who don't believe in our abilities.

TEX · 09-20-2004, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

You can worry, now, if you want...

Im not going to panic, yet, and hope that things can change and KC can get into the playoffs.

I learned last year, it's not how well you're playing in Sept, but how well you're playing in December that determines your chances in the post season.

Then again, come December, maybe it wont matter...either way, I wont give up hope until KC's mathematically eliminated.

I agree, and I'm also hoping for the best and won't give up until we're mathematically eliminated - but I am worried.

jcroft · 09-20-2004, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cadmonkey

Will 10-6 or 9-7 win you the West?..or are you shooting for a Wild Card. I really can't believe I am even asking this after the second week but as an outside looking in to your Chiefs world, I think its a legitamite question.

I dunno. I think 10-6 would probably win or tie for the West. Hard to say for sure, though.

**The Bad Guy** · 09-20-2004, 11:02 AM

Let me understand this:
The defense gives up over 180 yards a game, squanders 62 points, and the main problem is the OFFENSE?

That's scapegoating at it's finest.

Yes, the offense has sucked, but if the defense could of stopped DeShaun Foster or Quentin Griffin it would be a mute point right now.

King_Chief_Fan · 09-20-2004, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadmonkey

I am not trying to be a dick, I'm just asking a serious question.

Most of you have said that, with the re-hiring of Gunther, your Defense would be much better. I have yet to see the proof of this. Your run defense has made me feel like I am watching Walter Payton the last two weeks. As good as your Offense is, you can't expect them to put up 40 points per game, even though you easily could.

The reason why I am asking if you are worried yet is because over the off season there were a lot of threads about predicting the Chiefs record this year. Most of you said you would end up either 12-4 or 14-2, some even went as low as saying 10-6, but none of you said anything about losing even one of these first two games.

Are any of you worried about the rest of the seaon, and do you now think Gunther wasn't the answer?

Gunther is the answer..........Now, he can say, Dick, you screwed me here and set me up for failure. Get me some D players or I will wreck your name so that no others would dare come and coach for you......Quit your crying and get me some players.

**Lzen** · 09-20-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cadmonkey

I am not trying to be a dick

We know you're not trying. You don't have to try, it just comes naturally to you.

To the question at hand, the answer is yes. I'm getting very worried. Frankly, I didn't think the defense would really gel until about midseason. But I did not expect them to look this bad, either. And the offense has resembled nothing even close to the league's top offense over the past 2 years. On the bright side, New England started out 0-2 last year so there is still some hope. Albeit, that's a small hope.

WarCry! · 09-20-2004, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Let me understand this:
The defense gives up over 180 yards a game, squanders 62 points, and the main problem is the OFFENSE?

That's scapegoating at it's finest.

Yes, the offense has sucked, but if the defense could of stopped DeShaun Foster or Quentin Griffin it would be a mute point right now.

The defense was absolutely the problem in Denver. However, in yesterday's game - our D played OK - not great - but ok for the first half. IF you would have told me before the game that we'd force 6 punts in the game, get 2 interceptions, get 7 defensive points and only give up 7 points by halftime, I'd take it in a heartbeat. IF the O had put up any kind of production on the board going into halftime, this is a different game. Think about it - we've been placing our hope on getting our d to the point that would give our offense some time to build a lead. With a lead, we can play a different defensive game - one that falls right into the mentality of one Gunther Cunningham - attack the QB. Did we blitz much yesterday - NO. COuld we have had we been playing with a lead - hell yes.

The second half is a different story - they both looked like shit.

cadmonkey · 09-20-2004, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

New England started out 0-2 last year

We started 0-2 in 2001, 1-1 last year. But your point is made. Unfortunatly, after starting 0-2 we gained Tom brady which was a huge upgrade from Bledsoe at the time. I don't see you turning your season around if Green gets hurt.

09-20-2004, 10:23 AM
cadmonkey Please no Vick!!!!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boston, Ma Casino cash: $10004900	Time to worry? I am not trying to be a dick, I'm just asking a serious question. Most of you have said that, with the re-hiring of Gunther, your Defense would be much better. I have yet to see the proof of this. Your run defense has made me feel like I am watching Walter Payton the last two weeks. As good as your Offense is, you can't expect them to put up 40 points per game, even though you easily could. The reason why I am asking if you are worried yet is because over the off season there were a lot of threads about predicting the Chiefs record this year. Most of you said you would end up either 12-4 or 14-2, some even went as low as saying 10-6, but none of you said anything about losing even one of these first two games. Are any of you worried about the rest of the seaon, and do you now think Gunther wasn't the answer?
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09-20-2004, 10:26 AM	#2
jcroft Thread-Stopper Extrodinaire Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10004900	Wow, people said we would be 14-2? That's insane. I said 10-6 from the begining, adn i stand by that. Am I worried? Yeah -- but not about the defense. The defense is about what I expected. It's a bit improved, and should continue to improve, but overall still won't be that good. The problem is that our offense isn't putting up anywhere near 40 points and doesn't show any signs that it will be any time soon. If the offense gets it's shit together, we should stil lmake the playoffs. If not, we're doomed. My hunch: around the time of the bye week, the defense will really be coming together. And, about that same time we'll finally get pretty healthy on offense. I say we're 2-2 or 1-3 at the bye, but we come out of it rolling and finish 10-6, 9-7 at the worst. __________________ Jeff Croft jeffcroft.com
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09-20-2004, 10:29 AM	#4
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Overzealous hyperbole... I think you will find that most of us thought our Defense would be better with Gunther’s ‘tude, but that it would take some time. As jcroft pointed out, the problem is with our Offense. xoxo~ Gaz Did not expect to be worried about the O after two games.
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TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $2333127	Yep. It's officilly time to worry now. In a few more weeks, it won't matter. As others have said, I'm more worried about the offense. __________________ "The CHIEFS, HAVE THEIR DYNASTY!"
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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9373645	Let me understand this: The defense gives up over 180 yards a game, squanders 62 points, and the main problem is the OFFENSE? That's scapegoating at it's finest. Yes, the offense has sucked, but if the defense could of stopped DeShaun Foster or Quentin Griffin it would be a mute point right now. __________________
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