Chiefs Poilian says no QB worthy of #1. Chiefs can find one later - Page 2

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RyFo18

I don't see how you don't think he developed Kolb...He coached up Kolb to play well in his system, so much that teams wanted to trade for him. With Vick playing as well as he was and the organization committing so much money to him, it was a no brainer to trade him as his contract would expire at the end of the year.

Kolb and Vick both had their best seasons under Reid. I think that says something about him.

If he REALLY coached up Kolb, he wouldn't have traded him. You don't trade franchise QBs. Andy "QB guru" Reid DIDN'T THINK KOLB WAS GOOD ENOUGH.

Period, end of story.

RyFo18 · 02-22-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If he REALLY coached up Kolb, he wouldn't have traded him. You don't trade franchise QBs. Andy "QB guru" Reid DIDN'T THINK KOLB WAS GOOD ENOUGH.

Period, end of story.

It's not end of story. He coached up Kolb, and then Kolb gets hurt. Vick lights it up, they pay him to be the franchise QB. Then they trade Kolb b/c they can't afford 2 franchise QBs.

Deberg_1990 · 02-22-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RyFo18

I don't see how you don't think he developed Kolb...He coached up Kolb to play well in his system, so much that teams wanted to trade for him. With Vick playing as well as he was and the organization committing so much money to him, it was a no brainer to trade him as his contract would expire at the end of the year.

Kolb and Vick both had their best seasons under Reid. I think that says something about him.

NO one disputes the fact that Reid can coach up QBs. Hes definately proven that.

BUt for "sustained" success over the long haul, he had a top 3 drafted QB prospect. All those other guys were temporary solutions.

**the Talking Can** · 02-22-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I keep seeing this and I keep thinking "who has he REALLY developed"?

Kevin Kolb played so good they traded him. He resurrected Vick for all of 1 year. Foles has yet to really prove anything. He's always had ADEQUATE QB play.

But the ONLY ELITE QB he's ever coached is the guy he picked #2 overall.

Don't get me wrong, I like Andy Reid. A LOT actually.

But this idea that he's a QB guru is WAY overblown.

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he's good at flipping lower round QBs...which is a great thing and I hope he does that here, but....

he went to a super bowl with a first round QB...end of story

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

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he's good at flipping lower round QBs...which is a great thing and I hope he does that here, but....

he went to a super bowl with a first round QB...end of story

It's too funny. They're playing the Pioli/Andy Reid segment on the radio right now.

Pioli is trying to praise Andy about how he has developed QBs and he starts the sentence with "Yeah, he had Donovan but..."

He totally tried to completely ignore the fact that Andy Reid drafted a QB at #2 overall.

Deberg_1990 · 02-22-2013, 08:43 AM

oh...and Carl Peterson likes the Reid hire and hates rookie QBs. Why does KC media need to keep asking for his opinion????????

Peterson likes Reid hire

Carl Peterson still attends the NFL Scouting Combine, but as the chairman of USA Football and no longer as the general manager of the Chiefs.

“I’m not here to see guys run 40-yard dashes in their underwear,” he said.
Instead, Peterson is at the Combine promoting safety issues for USA Football, which promotes the game on the amateur and youth levels.

Peterson, now four years removed from the Chiefs, still follows the issues. He said he likes the hire of Reid.

“I articulated that to Clark Hunt,” Peterson said. “He knows what he’s doing. He’s a winning football coach. I think it’s a terrific addition, as I do also (general manager) John Dorsey.”

A major dilemma for Reid and Dorsey is to find a quarterback for the Chiefs. There are no star quarterbacks available as Joe Montana was when Peterson and the Chiefs traded for him in 1993. The draft doesn’t hold any can’t-miss quarterback prospects.

“It was always my philosophy to get the seasoned veteran quarterback who had been successful and been through it before,” Peterson said. “Any time you draft a quarterback, he’s got a heck of a learning curve to get through, depending where you pick and who’s available. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Andy did that.”

As for what the Chiefs should do with their first-round pick, the first in the draft, Peterson said he would leave that to Reid and Dorsey.

“That’s not my concern anymore,” Peterson said. “I’ll tell you what they ought to do: Take the best player available, the best player you have rated regardless of position.
“It certainly is an important pick.

The first-round draft choices are always important, but the higher you pick the more important it is. You don’t want to make a mistake because it does reflect on the future of the franchise. A lot of pressure there, but I think Andy and John will get it done.”

**Reaper16** · 02-22-2013, 08:50 AM

Carl still can't wrap his head around why he didn't win a championship. Haha.

Also, its pathetic watching GMs and ex-GMs across the league try to take some measure of retroactive credit for Russell Wilson. "Oh yeah, we loved the guy. Loved his interview." Pathetic.

Deberg_1990 · 02-22-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Also, its pathetic watching GMs and ex-GMs across the league try to take some measure of retroactive credit for Russell Wilson. "Oh yeah, we loved the guy. Loved his interview." Pathetic.

It proves that measurables are still king. At least when it comes to the 1st round prospects.

Chiefshrink · 02-23-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Carl still can't wrap his head around why he didn't win a championship. Haha.

Also, its pathetic watching GMs and ex-GMs across the league try to take some measure of retroactive credit for Russell Wilson. "Oh yeah, we loved the guy. Loved his interview." Pathetic.

THIS a 1000x !!!

When I see Pioli and Tannenbaum on the NFL network speak out their Bellichek pie holes I see and hear why they failed as GMs and you see LOSERS written all over them.

Now Casserly on the other hand I do respect and like his old school approach because UNLIKE Pioli and Tannenbaum he has had a lot of success including a SB in his career.

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

THIS a 1000x !!!

When I see ***** and Tannenbaum on the NFL network speak out their Bellichek pie holes I see and hear why they failed as GMs and you see LOSERS written all over them.

Now Casserly on the other hand I do respect and like his old school approach because UNLIKE ***** and Tannenbaum he has had a lot of success including a SB in his career.

His last job was every bit the spectacular failure that Pioli and Tannenbaum were.

Chiefshrink · 02-23-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

His last job

Very key here. His last job. I agree Carr was a bust and the Mario vs Bush was a wash with Williams actually being the little bit better choice.

He has a SB soley on his watch unlike ***** and Tannenbaum and we now know Bellichek called all the shots

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Very key here. His last job. I agree Carr was a bust and the Mario vs Bush was a wash with Williams actually being the little bit better choice.

He has a SB soley on his watch unlike ***** and Tannenbaum and we now know Bellichek called all the shots

His "Super Bowl" is ANCIENT HISTORY.

The guy knows less about the MODERN NFL than I do.

KC_Lee · 02-22-2013, 08:54 AM

So is there some sort of cosmic insult that will occur if the Chiefs take a QB with the first overall pick? With the rookie pay scale in place the chance of a first round pick handcuffing a team from a salary cap perspective is reduced so why not take a QB?

Please explain to me the term worthy as it relates to the Chiefs and a QB at #1 overall.

DTLB58 · 02-22-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

So is there some sort of cosmic insult that will occur if the Chiefs take a QB with the first overall pick? With the rookie pay scale in place the chance of a first round pick handcuffing a team from a salary cap perspective is reduced so why not take a QB?

Please explain to me the term worthy as it relates to the Chiefs and a QB at #1 overall.

No, if the chiefs take a QB everyone will slobber all over it because of the need and cause Reid can coach them up. But for the time being its not the in thing to do because the masses don't see it that way.

**RealSNR** · 02-22-2013, 09:05 AM

Hog Farmer's gotta be on a troll kick ever since 2013 draft talk started. He's not normally this dumb.

02-22-2013, 08:43 AM	#6
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3814454	oh...and Carl Peterson likes the Reid hire and hates rookie QBs. Why does KC media need to keep asking for his opinion???????? Peterson likes Reid hire Carl Peterson still attends the NFL Scouting Combine, but as the chairman of USA Football and no longer as the general manager of the Chiefs. “I’m not here to see guys run 40-yard dashes in their underwear,” he said. Instead, Peterson is at the Combine promoting safety issues for USA Football, which promotes the game on the amateur and youth levels. Peterson, now four years removed from the Chiefs, still follows the issues. He said he likes the hire of Reid. “I articulated that to Clark Hunt,” Peterson said. “He knows what he’s doing. He’s a winning football coach. I think it’s a terrific addition, as I do also (general manager) John Dorsey.” A major dilemma for Reid and Dorsey is to find a quarterback for the Chiefs. There are no star quarterbacks available as Joe Montana was when Peterson and the Chiefs traded for him in 1993. The draft doesn’t hold any can’t-miss quarterback prospects. “It was always my philosophy to get the seasoned veteran quarterback who had been successful and been through it before,” Peterson said. “Any time you draft a quarterback, he’s got a heck of a learning curve to get through, depending where you pick and who’s available. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Andy did that.” As for what the Chiefs should do with their first-round pick, the first in the draft, Peterson said he would leave that to Reid and Dorsey. “That’s not my concern anymore,” Peterson said. “I’ll tell you what they ought to do: Take the best player available, the best player you have rated regardless of position. “It certainly is an important pick. The first-round draft choices are always important, but the higher you pick the more important it is. You don’t want to make a mistake because it does reflect on the future of the franchise. A lot of pressure there, but I think Andy and John will get it done.” __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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KC_Lee You're CARICATURES, ALL of you Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $1770960	So is there some sort of cosmic insult that will occur if the Chiefs take a QB with the first overall pick? With the rookie pay scale in place the chance of a first round pick handcuffing a team from a salary cap perspective is reduced so why not take a QB? Please explain to me the term worthy as it relates to the Chiefs and a QB at #1 overall.
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02-22-2013, 09:05 AM	#15
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2160208	Hog Farmer's gotta be on a troll kick ever since 2013 draft talk started. He's not normally this dumb.
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