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Chiefs=Champions · 09-20-2018, 07:44 PM

Of course you do to an extent. But not entirely. Its real easy to pick apart in hindsight. Murray has to go with the crosser he needs to anticipate it better. And maybe nelson needs to work back, but initially ron is covering the seam route.

Chiefs=Champions · 09-20-2018, 07:47 PM

If nelson stays strictly in his zone thats an easy touchdown to the receiver.

O.city · 09-20-2018, 07:50 PM

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If nelson stays strictly in his zone thats an easy touchdown to the receiver.

He’s supposed to release him to Parker who’s got the deep middle.

Murray needs to feel the wr and come more towards the sideline as hitchens does.

3 **** ups there.

That’s why guys need time to practice together

htismaqe · 09-20-2018, 07:54 PM

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If nelson stays strictly in his zone thats an easy touchdown to the receiver.

Not because Nelson screwed up. Lack of zone discipline creates holes in a defense. Nelson needs to do his job and not worry about anyone else.

O.city · 09-20-2018, 08:18 PM

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Not because Nelson screwed up. Lack of zone discipline creates holes in a defense. Nelson needs to do his job and not worry about anyone else.

Yeah you’ve just gotta trust the other 10.

Chiefs=Champions · 09-20-2018, 08:26 PM

You have to flow to where the receivers are, zones are fluid. We can blame Nelson, Parker and Murray. But Murray has to have better awareness there, thats my opinion, you can have yours.

htismaqe · 09-20-2018, 08:28 PM

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You have to flow to where the receivers are, zones are fluid. We can blame Nelson, Parker and Murray. But Murray has to have better awareness there, thats my opinion, you can have yours.

Zones flow but not CLEAR ACROSS THE FIELD.

Nelson should have stayed put. But make no mistake about it, he doesn't even try that if Murray does his job.

Nelson I can forgive. He was trying to cover a problem. Murray? He's ALWAYS out of position. He needs to be covering the bench.

Chiefs=Champions · 09-20-2018, 08:31 PM

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Zones flow but not CLEAR ACROSS THE FIELD.

Nelson should have stayed put. But make no mistake about it, he doesn't even try that if Murray does his job.

Nelson I can forgive. He was trying to cover a problem. Murray? He's ALWAYS out of position. He needs to be covering the bench.

Murray is a man corner being asked to play safety. Disaster. He just cant seem to pick up zone coverage.

htismaqe · 09-20-2018, 08:32 PM

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Murray is a man corner being asked to play safety. Disaster. He just cant seem to pick up zone coverage.

Yep. He's athletic (or at least he was in college) but his football IQ just doesn't seem to be very high at all.

Chiefs=Champions · 09-20-2018, 08:29 PM

Its actually a great play design against what we are running there. Either way somebody is getting open. The seam player breaks his route cause he sees Parker over the top. He likely would have read it and kept going if parker is covering Nelson's guy.

O.city · 09-20-2018, 08:33 PM

If you’re playing zone and a qb of bens ability gets that much time it’s not gonna make a whole lot of difference

htismaqe · 09-20-2018, 08:42 PM

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If you’re playing zone and a qb of bens ability gets that much time it’s not gonna make a whole lot of difference

If you drop 8 and everybody stays disciplined, a lot of times there just won't be anywhere to throw. What happens when a play extends is that WR's break off routes (or run option routes) and defenders get antsy. They have to stay put and make sure they cover their zone.

WhiteWhale · 09-20-2018, 08:53 PM

I mean, I guess on that play you can talk about who ****ed up the MOST, but to me it just looks like bad team defense.

Not knowing when to switch.

This isn't about scheme. It's a bout a lack of discipline and attention to detail by multiple individuals.

Do I blame the individuals, or the coaches who are preparing them? I'm not at practice or meetings, but it looks ugly.

I don't think the D has overall been as bad as it looks right now. Honestly if you told me KC would have a safety and a turnover in the 2nd half and win I'd be pretty shocked. KC made more stops than Pittsburgh did, and it's a tough place to play defense.

htismaqe · 09-20-2018, 08:54 PM

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I mean, I guess on that play you can talk about who ****ed up the MOST, but to me it just looks like bad team defense.

Not knowing when to switch.

This isn't about scheme. It's a bout a lack of discipline and attention to detail.

Yep. Some of these guys can't even do the basics right.

lcarus · 09-21-2018, 12:04 AM

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I don't think the D has overall been as bad as it looks right now. Honestly if you told me KC would have a safety and a turnover in the 2nd half and win I'd be pretty shocked. KC made more stops than Pittsburgh did, and it's a tough place to play defense.

They did make some nice stops. Mainly in the 1st and 4th quarter. It just kinda feels like a minor miracle when we do hold someone to 4th down. Especially a good offense like the Chargers and Steelers. I think the D will look a lot better if and when we get a healthy Berry back. Hes someone that immediately makes both run and pass defense better

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WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah Casino cash: $10015152	I mean, I guess on that play you can talk about who ****ed up the MOST, but to me it just looks like bad team defense. Not knowing when to switch. This isn't about scheme. It's a bout a lack of discipline and attention to detail by multiple individuals. Do I blame the individuals, or the coaches who are preparing them? I'm not at practice or meetings, but it looks ugly. I don't think the D has overall been as bad as it looks right now. Honestly if you told me KC would have a safety and a turnover in the 2nd half and win I'd be pretty shocked. KC made more stops than Pittsburgh did, and it's a tough place to play defense.
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