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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:18 AM   #346
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I get the whole not relying on your defense to score points argument, but if you can get to the Chicago Bears level, I'd say you could count on it as a constant part of your formula for winning. KC just might have the kind of defense that can force turnovers and score / set the offense up to do so on a consistent basis. I'd say that IS good.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:25 AM   #347
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I get the whole not relying on your defense to score points argument, but if you can get to the Chicago Bears level, I'd say you could count on it as a constant part of your formula for winning. KC just might have the kind of defense that can force turnovers and score / set the offense up to do so on a consistent basis. I'd say that IS good.
Yeah... it's just harder that way, since you're relying on an entire side of the ball to play at an elite level to cover up for not having one elite quarterback. Hell, just to bring up that point, you have to go back to 2007, then back at least a decade to mention the Ravens and Bucs.

If the Chiefs defense can be that good, they can certainly make up for mediocre QB/offensive play (if you can cover up Rex Grossman...). It's asking a lot, and they'll have more opportunities to show they're up for it.
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Just heard NFL Films' @gregcosell on @Fantasy_Guru Podcast compare Dwayne Bowe to a slow-moving tight end. Worst he's looked in years.
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Just heard NFL Films' @gregcosell on @Fantasy_Guru Podcast compare Dwayne Bowe to a slow-moving tight end. Worst he's looked in years.
I blame Alex Smith
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Just heard NFL Films' @gregcosell on @Fantasy_Guru Podcast compare Dwayne Bowe to a slow-moving tight end. Worst he's looked in years.
Not good. Hope he didn't check out when he signed his big contract.
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Not good. Hope he didn't check out when he signed his big contract.


Hard to give a **** when you give your all and end up a decoy...
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Turnovers have won us 2 games.


Our offense WILL come around and start producing as the season progresses.
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Hard to give a **** when you give your all and end up a decoy...
Yeah, that's exactly what the tweet says.
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Not good. Hope he didn't check out when he signed his big contract.
People don't want to hear it, because it looks like an excuse for the QB.. but there have been some noticeably lackadaisical efforts from him. I don't think he's slow, but I don't feel he is always giving 100% out there after the payday.

.. and I am a fan of Bowe as a life-long LSU fan.
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People don't want to hear it, because it looks like an excuse for the QB.. but there have been some noticeably lackadaisical efforts from him. I don't think he's slow, but I don't feel he is always giving 100% out there after the payday.

.. and I am a fan of Bowe as a life-long LSU fan.
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I don't think Bowe's dogging it. Bowe strikes me as a hard worker and he blocks well when others are getting YAC. Reports are that Bowe's been double teamed quite a bit.

I do know that he's either not getting open, or getting open too slow given our crappy pass protection.
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Bowe will be fine.

Give the offense time. JFC
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I don't think Bowe's dogging it. Bowe strikes me as a hard worker and he blocks well when others are getting YAC. Reports are that Bowe's been double teamed quite a bit.
Pretty much.
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it was inevitable

we traded picks for a #winnow QB because this team had talent and was ready to win now...no time to groom a risky rookie

so Smith shows up and ta-daa!...none of our players are good enough for him

Bowe is a lazy malcontent, our OL doesn't have enough first round picks on it..McCluster - who this board loves to death - is now suddenly terrible, Avery (crickets)...

it sucks we have to spend a couple more years acquiring offensive talent for our franchise QB to not throw to, but I guess it has to be done
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