Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

[the Talking Can]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

[the Talking Can]

there is a long history of Chiefs fans hating on our best players while making excuses for shit heads

all Bowe has ever done, since the first time he stepped on a field, is produce...one shitty QB after another and he produced, and people complained about him pointing to his jersey (gasp!), or wanting to get paid (laz!), or now he is 'lackadaisical' according to Marcellus and our reeruned 49er fans

Albert..same thing...absolute stud as rookie, and fans spend 5 years wanting to move him to guard, and then claim he is selfish and not a leader, blah blah blah

Berry...one of the best rookie seasons by a safety ever..."he can't cover a TE, he suck! such a disappointment!"..i won't even link to the embarrassing thread that appeared here a couple a months ago about how overrated he was

but worthless shit heads like Cassel, McCluster, Jackson..holy jesus...excuses, excuses, excuses...for YEARS

and now because Smith is afraid to throw the ball to people who aren't wide open, well, it must mean Bowe is a problem...LACKADAISICAL in fact

yeah, genious (cp spelling, for our 49er idiots)

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So you are seriously going to imply the biggest issue with the offense right now is Smith?

Charles did have issues in the Eagles game. Thats why Reid was reaming his ass.

I watched all offensive snaps of the Eagles game again last night. Smith had about 2 or 3 head scratchers out of 78 offensive plays.

Albert lined up improperly 2 times, Fisher was called for holding and was beat like a drum all the first half and the run blocking was horrendous.The OL had 6 total penalties.

We completed 3 3rd and more than 10 yard conversions and were 0-3 on 3rd and 1 running the ball.

You only see what you want to see. Keep talking about people making excuses when you cant even objectively look at whats actually happening in a game.

Charles had issues against the Eagles? Uh, okay. I mean, he was the only Chiefs offensive player out there besides Avery who looked to have anything remotely resembling a good game. He not only accounted for 30%+ of the yards from scrimmage, but he scored our only offensive TD, made several OUTSTANDING plays in pass protection, and came through in the clutch on that 4th quarter drive that ate up all the clock.

I just don't know why people in the game thread would give a shit that Charles made a few mistakes that didn't even matter in the context of the point in the game in which they happened. That's the reason why it's bullshit to make a huge deal out of those mistakes.

Meanwhile Alex Smith had far more mistakes that contributed to stalling on offense. Yes, he's the QB so those are immediately noticeable, and yes his job is harder, but that still doesn't mean that Jamaal Charles should have to own up to his level of accountability.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If the risk entails losing a close game, it's not worth the risk.

Also, I'm with you on Hemmingway. He should be the starter and McCluster should be traded for a sixer of PBR.

McCluster looked slow as **** one-on-one in the Philly game. It was so absurd that I literally laughed out loud.

Funny, since the games are only close because our offense blows goats.

The defense is giving up 11 points a game, and the defense a kicking game are scoring 10.

Yet the games are still close.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by jspchief

The coaches haven't figured it out yet. They don't understand that all that spinning and gyrating doesn't translate to NFL yards.

Yards are overrated/ Smiff Fans

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Pablo

This is the Andy Reid offense. It's what we all heard about and should have expected.

He prefers short passes to short runs; and will tend to choose those options throughout the game.

The way our line has been run blocking; I honestly don't think we could get a yard if the defense stacked the box. I really don't.

The line has been putrid; and it's poor play has filtered through to the rest of the offense.

Honestly, if Charles can't run well behind you; then you're absolutely worthless. That guy needs very little to work with and he'll gained positive yards.

I wasn't aware he threw it so much on 3rd down but my hope was he would adapt to change being a retread coach.

I was very impressed with how Davis ran against Philadelphia. He was a spark to the offense. Reminds me a lot of Larry Johnson.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

By God, I'm on a mission to civilize! You people will learn how to spell Hemingway!

I'll learn how to spell his last name once he's a bonafide starter.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Gonzalez in 2007 and 2008.

Moeaki was certainly a threat in 2010.

Got me on Gonzo. It's hard to believe Bowe's been here that long.

Let me rephrase - he hasn't had a viable TE since 2008, and has done just fine.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Yeah. That chance hovers right around 0.00%



This. THIS THIS THIS!

He's a ****ing smart guy that could learn any offense, and honestly, I think he could play in any offense.

At some point (and I'd completely agree with it being that point) it became what he was as a QB. It's now what he is...

I agree.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

it was inevitable

we traded picks for a #winnow QB because this team had talent and was ready to win now...no time to groom a risky rookie

so Smith shows up and ta-daa!...none of our players are good enough for him

Bowe is a lazy malcontent, our OL doesn't have enough first round picks on it..McCluster - who this board loves to death - is now suddenly terrible, Avery (crickets)...

it sucks we have to spend a couple more years acquiring offensive talent for our franchise QB to not throw to, but I guess it has to be done

sighs. If this were the Denver, or Packer, or even the Bengals offense your argument would hold water. But the fact that you can probably count on 5 hands the teams that have less offensive skill position players than the chiefs, then you factor in that through three weeks where the Chiefs oline is rated, your argument is more anti alex hate spew just looking for one guy to pin it on. NOTE. Not absolving alex smith of his blame. missed receivers, bad throws, bad decisions. But, the offensive problems are far more than just one guy.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we need more 49ers fans trying to tell us things about our team...really, you guys are all so insightful

you don't know a god damn thing about Bowe, which is obvious...

but I'll wait around for all this 'lackadaisical effort' that you and only you have seen...

could you clue us in to where and when this happened?

Yeahhhhhhh. Its cute when you go all holy on people like this. Especially given the fact that before Alex Smith was an official member of the team, people like you were trying to tell 49er fans about ALEX SMITH. And didn't want to hear anything we have to say. Do as you say, not as you do, RIGHT?

Originally Posted by Pablo

Bowe isn't fast. He never has been. He's a possession WR that will fight for the ball.

Yup. He is one of the players like Boldin that if he has single coverage, hes open. Just have to give him a chance to make play.

Alex hopefully learns that sooner, rather than later.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

there is a long history of Chiefs fans hating on our best players while making excuses for shit heads

all Bowe has ever done, since the first time he stepped on a field, is produce...one shitty QB after another and he produced, and people complained about him pointing to his jersey (gasp!), or wanting to get paid (laz!), or now he is 'lackadaisical' according to Marcellus and our reeruned 49er fans

Albert..same thing...absolute stud as rookie, and fans spend 5 years wanting to move him to guard, and then claim he is selfish and not a leader, blah blah blah

Berry...one of the best rookie seasons by a safety ever..."he can't cover a TE, he suck! such a disappointment!"..i won't even link to the embarrassing thread that appeared here a couple a months ago about how overrated he was

but worthless shit heads like Cassel, McCluster, Jackson..holy jesus...excuses, excuses, excuses...for YEARS

and now because Smith is afraid to throw the ball to people who aren't wide open, well, it must mean Bowe is a problem...LACKADAISICAL in fact

yeah, genious (cp spelling, for our 49er idiots)

Mccluster should be let go right now, I don't see any reason to have the guy around..He sucks.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Funny, since the games are only close because our offense blows goats.

The defense is giving up 11 points a game, and the defense a kicking game are scoring 10.

Yet the games are still close.

And had Smith taken risks and thrown the ball into double coverage, it's likely this team would be 1-2 at best.

Is that really want you want?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

3rd down conversions are squarely on the play calling.

3rd and 1 we go 4 wide or shotgun? **** that line up Charles get the 1 yard.

FYP

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Mccluster should be let go right now, I don't see any reason to have the guy around..He sucks.

he always has

Smith has stolen his excuses

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Yards are overrated/ Smiff Fans

no, we all value rushing yards.........

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by SNR

FYP

I've never seen Charles be an effective 3rd and short back. I'd nuch rather go with the guy who's 230 to pick up 1 yard.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

3rd down conversions are squarely on the play calling.

3rd and 1 we go 4 wide or shotgun? **** that line up Sherman and Davis get the 1 yard.

One example doesn't prove anything, but I think you know that.

Several 3rd downs should have been converted with what they had. Playcalling is always a factor but you can't claim that 3 games worth of bad 3rd down play is entirely on playcalling. You're smarter than that. That is simple scapegoating. There are several reasons our 3rd down play has been poor overall.