If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Mav]

Originally Posted by PGM

An Alex Smith fanboy with a friggin Browns avy, I've seen it all now heh.

my grandpa was a life long browns fan. They have always been my second team.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

This always makes me laugh. Like, REALLY laugh.

8 years. 8 years. 8 years.

When the best of the best, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers, publicly state how they are surprised that Alex Smith was able to survive through all the bullshit he and the 49er players went through, before Jim Harbaugh, Jed York, and Trent Baalke took over, and to even become successful at ALL, and make it through, when players like David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Joey Harrington couldnt, and then myopic fans, now, understand this, i consider you to be one of the more intelligent fans here, but this view, is MYOPIC. Jim Harbaugh, in college, had the BEST QB IN THE COUNTRY, yet he still ran the ball, 58 percent of the time. Troy Aikman, a hall of fame qb, handed the ball off 55 percent of the time. Joe Flacco, only threw for 3800 yards last year. And won the super bowl. This style, of the running game, defense and passing game, has won the PAST TWO SUPER BOWLS. The two teams in the super bowl, ran the ball more than they threw it. Why people are so offended by this style, is beyond me. Its winning. And its going to keep winning. The most complete teams are winning, something the chiefs if people will stop focusing on the two picks that were given up, and just look at this chiefs team compared to last year, is a far more COMPLETE TEAM, and thats not even counting alex smith.

That is counting guys like Donnie Avery, Anthony Fasano, Travis Kelce, Retaining albert, resigning bowe, kniles davis (didnt understand the pick, but hes a talent) Sean Smith, Dunta Robinson, Mike DiVito, Niko Johnson, and the coaching staff. this is a complete football team and all of that, and i didnt even mention Schwartz, or the first overrall pick in the draft.

There is a lot to be happy about with this team.

Would you say this is a concerning trend and a likely explanation of why Alex went from bust to servicable?

I know you said as much, but you also agree that if Andy Reid isn't different then what he has been for a decade in the league than this won't work?

09 33.8 att/game 81.5 QB Rating
10 31.09 att/game 82.4 QB Rating
11 27.8 att/game 90.7 QB Rating
12 21.8 att/game 104.1 QB rating

The 2012 Reid Eagles averaged 38.6 att/game

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Thank you! Even the biggest Alice homer on the planet gets it. We traded a 1st for a guy that needs to be put in risk adverse situations to succeed. Anymore then 20-25 safe passes a game and it's going to get ugly.

I swear if I said the Earth was round, I'd get people to argue it was triangle.

I like the guy. Hes impossible not to like if you consider the other parts of him than just as a football player. And yes, i think its foolish for anyteam to have to rely on just one player to do it all. It didnt work last year for Tom Brady, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers did it?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

My fault. He did have almost 1/2 the starts of Alex Smith. He was also played well for the Chiefs which is why Gruden picked him up. There was also a guy sacking groceries that will be going into the HOF, but I wouldn't sign every guy stocking grocieries to play QB. I'll live by the rule, and you can live by the exeption.

I'm not sure how you are forming that opinion. I think it does take some guys more starts to get it than others. For example Elway avgs a 67 QB rating his first 3 seasons.

Not almost. Well more than half. He had 59 when someone (the Raiders) took a chance on the guy.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

I like the guy. Hes impossible not to like if you consider the other parts of him than just as a football player. And yes, i think its foolish for anyteam to have to rely on just one player to do it all. It didnt work last year for Tom Brady, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers did it?

I agree, he likely is Trent Green likable without the Trent Green passing ability.

Not this year, no. They can't do it by themselves, but you don't need the full compliment of surronding pieces either with guys like those.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I agree, he likely is Trent Green likable without the Trent Green passing ability.

Not this year, no. They can't do it by themselves, but you don't need the full compliment of surronding pieces either with guys like those.

Trent Green's forte was short to intermediate passing also. He was no great shakes at the long ball.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Not almost. Well more than half. He had 59 when someone (the Raiders) took a chance on the guy.

I was referring to when he played for the Chiefs, but of coursed you know that. You know when all the fans wanted him to start the playoff game instead? The guy everyone wanted to bring back instead of Elvis?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Would you say this is a concerning trend and a likely explanation of why Alex went from bust to servicable?

I know you said as much, but you also agree that if Andy Reid isn't different then what he has been for a decade in the league than this won't work?

09 33.8 att/game 81.5 QB Rating
10 31.09 att/game 82.4 QB Rating
11 27.8 att/game 90.7 QB Rating
12 21.8 att/game 104.1 QB rating

The 2012 Reid Eagles averaged 38.6 att/game

I think there is a LOT of reasons why Alex Smith went from bust to serviceable.

First and foremost, the coaches being able to put Alex Smith in a position to play to his strengths. The previous staffs didnt do that. Singletary, nor Nolan. They had what they wanted, and didnt care if the qb was capable of doing it.

Second, I think the advancement of talent helped quite a bit around alex smith. and thirdly, i think that the defense being used correctly, was the biggest contribution to alex smith, knowing that they didnt have to score on every possession, reduced the risk factor for alex smith, and allowed the other parts of the team to carry the burden. Im not blind, nor stupid. i know that David Akers had to have a career year with 44 fgm, and i know that the defense, and special teams broke records. Alex Smith was simply a part of the solution, but he wasnt part of the problem. Same Theory goes here.

I dont think he is comfortable being the guy that would have to average 38 throws a game. Its not his DNA. The biggest advantage to i believe making a qb is by playing to their strengths. The winning franchises seem to do that quite well. Is that not agreeable?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Trent Green's forte was short to intermediate passing also. He was no great shakes at the long ball.

He wasn't throwing Flacco bombs no. He was really good at deep outs though.

[ChiefsCountry]

If Alex Smith converted a damn 3rd down against the Giants, Kyle Williams fumble doesn't matter. Its as ****ing stupid as blaming L i n Elliot missing kicks in the playoff game against the Colts. Don't make special teams win you playoff games. Its a sure bet method to lose.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

I think there is a LOT of reasons why Alex Smith went from bust to serviceable.

First and foremost, the coaches being able to put Alex Smith in a position to play to his strengths. The previous staffs didnt do that. Singletary, nor Nolan. They had what they wanted, and didnt care if the qb was capable of doing it.

Second, I think the advancement of talent helped quite a bit around alex smith. and thirdly, i think that the defense being used correctly, was the biggest contribution to alex smith, knowing that they didnt have to score on every possession, reduced the risk factor for alex smith, and allowed the other parts of the team to carry the burden. Im not blind, nor stupid. i know that David Akers had to have a career year with 44 fgm, and i know that the defense, and special teams broke records. Alex Smith was simply a part of the solution, but he wasnt part of the problem. Same Theory goes here.

I dont think he is comfortable being the guy that would have to average 38 throws a game. Its not his DNA. The biggest advantage to i believe making a qb is by playing to their strengths. The winning franchises seem to do that quite well. Is that not agreeable?

I agree with you 100%. Harbaugh went to MartyBall and that's a system Alex can work in. It sent Steve Bono to a probowl. I just don't see the Andy Reid going full Marty and I don't think our defense is anywhere near the 49er defense. Too many questions up front.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I agree, he likely is Trent Green likable without the Trent Green passing ability.

Not this year, no. They can't do it by themselves, but you don't need the full compliment of surronding pieces either with guys like those.

Its true. Its also why those three guys, make top dollar. They cant afford to keep the pieces, like having someone like an alex smith allows you to do. Its give and take. It really is.....Can you imagine how differnet the 49ers are going to look, when they have to pay Kaep next season? And look at how different the Ravens are now because of the contract they paid joe.

The good thing about alex, is he is team first, hes also average, so he doesnt have to command top dollar, so you can keep guys like bowe, and albert.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If Alex Smith converted a damn 3rd down against the Giants, Kyle Williams fumble doesn't matter. Its as ****ing stupid as blaming L i n Elliot missing kicks in the playoff game against the Colts. Don't make special teams win you playoff games. Its a sure bet method to lose.

who was he supposed to be completing them to? They CRUSHED crabtree, he couldnt get open, they doubled Vernon Davis all game. Ginn was out, Edwards h ad been cut, Josh morgan got hurt in week 8. Who was he supposed to throw to? Kyle Williams have 3 fumbles in that game. Swain, and hastings were his other options. WHO, WAS HE SUPPOSED TO THROW TO. The Giants dropped 7 into coverage every play. They dismantled every single team they played in the playoffs, including Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers, in much better playing conditions, and they held the falcons offense scoreless. With all of their weapons. I have no problems giving alex smith part of the blame for that loss. Fine, 1/13, i get it. He didnt turn the ball over, and he had the 49ers in position to win the game. Not much more you could of asked from him.....



the irony of this sentiment. He didnt take ANY UNNECESSARY SACKS, just threw the ball away,a nd people still crush him for it. Cute.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I was referring to when he played for the Chiefs, but of coursed you know that. You know when all the fans wanted him to start the playoff game instead? The guy everyone wanted to bring back instead of Elvis?

Yes, I know what you had in mind, but that's the wrong analogy. We're talking about guys who have had a number of starts elsewhere who are brought in to be the starter and who go on to surpass their previous achievements. In the Rich Gannon story, the Raiders are the team that did what the Chiefs are doing with Alex Smith now. They took a guy with 59 mostly unremarkable starts who had been playing well in the previous couple of years to be their new QB of the Present.

But even if we back up to the time period that you're talking about, when Chiefs fans were calling for him to start the playoff game and wanted him to come back instead of Grbac, we're still talking about 59 starts because that was at the end of his Chiefs career.

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Those guys all turned out to be late bloomers once they were given the chance. Alice had 8 years of chances since he was pick 1,1. If he was picked anywhere else he may very well be out of the league right now. That stats tell us what Alex is and that's a guy you want throwing the ball about 20-23 times a game. That's something a lot of guys can be successful doing and not someone you give up 2 2nd over. That's just ****ing stupid.

This is so asinine, They all had the chance. They didnt get it done for whatever reason. Injuries, stuck behind a pro-bowler, wrong system or just plain sucked in the beginning. Trent Green was terrible, he was cut from the Canadian league for god sakes. You can say Alex didnt have a chance as well with all that went on out there the first 5 seasons. You know the list, its been well documented. Im not talking about stats. Im talking organizational disfunction and deep lack of talent. If all the qbs can be successfull throwing 20-23 times a game then why isnt everyone doin it? If the stats say its the way to go then what are all the GMs thinking? Im just making the argument that KC may also have a true late bloomer regardless of how long hes been on the field. I cant totally agree with you that its rare for it to happen, but for you stat loving posters. The stats say he has gotten significantly better in almost every category especially the one that matters. WINS!!