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Dayze · 12:07 AM

To start off:
I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. In fact my first 5 years of playing electric guitar was solely based on Metallica. I started off playing Bluegrass guitar with my dad, even though my soul wasn't bluegrass.

My first exposure to Metallica was hearing "Nothing Else Matters" on MTV before school waiting for my buddy to pick me up for school. I asked my brother if he had ever heard of them, and of course he had. He handed me a tape that had zero information of it. in that all the 'font' (for lack of a better word) was gone. It was a simple 'blank" tape. It was weathered, and the only thing I could determine that it was a Metallica tape was simply my brother's word. It was Master of Puppets Within 4 weeks, I had owned everything of Metallica and had thrown bluegrass by the wayside.

Long loving Metallica fan for years; devoted. Having heard Megadeth and loving a few of their songs, I was still committed to Metallica. However, years later, I've discovered that I may have been premature in my categorization of music.

Years had passed since I had really 'listened' to Megadeth. Years, as in 10+. Then, I stumbled upon a Megadeth record. While it escapes my memory at this point, the collective memory of the tunes has lead me to the belief that Megadeth is better than Metalica.

While some, to what degree I don't know, may have always held this belief, the discovery of Megadeth is a new one for me. After listening to many records, Im beginning to feel more confident in saying that Megadeth is better. Obviously, it's subjective.

Metallica's "Black" Album is equivalent to Pink Floy'd "The Wall" in terms of impact. However, Megadeth's "Symphony of Destruction", has been severely over-shadowed by the 'Black" album of Metallica. Subsequently, as it had been up to that point, Megadeth had fallen by the wayside. "Symphony of Destructions' release around the same time, was over-shadowed by the Black album.

After what was a universal success of the Black album, Megadeth seemed to finally have received the kill shot. But, if we are to look at the records and time frame comparatively, I think Megadeth got the short end of the stick.

Since then, Megadeth has sustained their status despite radio and marketing support. I've listened to several Megadeth albums/tunes from the "Black" album going forward, and I must say they are not getting the credit that is due. In some aspects, they blow Metallica out of the water. To be honest, they are quickly surpassing Metallica.

I've always been a huge fan of Megadeth since the Mechanix type songs. But since Peace Sells Who's Buying album, Megadeth has gotten the shaft. By a LONG shot.

TLDR....but oh well.

htismaqe · 03-13-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Saw Ozzy a couple of years ago when Slash and Miles Kennedy opened for him (They kicked ass, btw. That would have been a hell of a concert in and of itself). I swear Ozzy was auto tuned in every single song. Was sad to hear.

Not surprising. Ozzy's priorities are mixed up.

What he did with the "Blizzard" re-issue was one of the lowest things I've ever seen in the metal world...

**Bowser** · 03-13-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Not surprising. Ozzy's priorities are mixed up.

What he did with the "Blizzard" re-issue was one of the lowest things I've ever seen in the metal world...

Yeah, what was the story on that? Did he bring in his own band to remix the sounds and not pay the original musicians anything on the re-release? Something along those lines? And that's not even taking into account how he compensates his current band, or his dealings with Bill Ward with the latest Sabbath projects....

I'm not so sure that it's not Sharon behind the scenes just sticking it to absolutely everybody she can lay her hands on.

Frosty · 03-13-2014, 01:24 PM

It's funny. I was really into metal/hard rock/classic rock in high school up through the mid-80's. I wasn't a huge Black Sabbath fan until Dio joined but loved Ozzy's first two albums and saw him for both the "Speak of the Devil" tour and the "Bark at the Moon" tour. I was also really into a lot of the NWOBHM bands, particularly the "goth-y" ones like Holocaust, Demon and Angel Witch.

By the mid-80's, about the time "ultimate Sin" comes out, I drifted away from metal as I was getting bored with the direction it was going. In fact, one of the last records I bought was "Kill 'Em All" by some unknown band.

Fast forward way too many years and my oldest son finds my old metal and classic rock records. He becomes a huge Zeppelin, Sabbath, Ozzy and Metallica fan and buys up all of the stuff that I didn't have.

It was kind of a crash course in getting caught up. I was so out of the loop that I hadn't realized that Dio had made a third Sabbath album (not counting as Heaven and Hell) and I hadn't heard any of the later Ozzy or Metallica albums.

Anyway, the point of all of that was that I haven't really cared or even heard about the more recent controversies and mostly I have looked at this through nostalgia so it really doesn't matter to me.

Just to stick with the OP, none of really liked Megadeth, mostly because of the singing.

htismaqe · 03-13-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Yeah, what was the story on that? Did he bring in his own band to remix the sounds and not pay the original musicians anything on the re-release? Something along those lines? And that's not even taking into account how he compensates his current band, or his dealings with Bill Ward with the latest Sabbath projects....

He re-recorded the entire album with his current band. My understanding is that his current band is under a contract that doesn't pay them royalties for music they didn't help "create". Since it was a back catalog re-issue, it was the ONLY version on the market, basically guaranteeing that Ozzy got 100% of the cut.

And if screwing Daisley and Kerslake wasn't bad enough, there was NOTHING on the album or in the liner notes indicating it was anything other than a re-master of the original release. It wasn't until people started comparing it to the original and realizing it wasn't the original that Ozzy came out about it.

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I'm not so sure that it's not Sharon behind the scenes just sticking it to absolutely everybody she can lay her hands on.

The funny thing is, Ozzy blames it on Sharon and Sharon blames it on Ozzy.

He's done sneaky shit before. He shattered Jake E Lee emotionally. It took almost 20 years for the guy to pick up a guitar again. I saw him play on That Metal Show and he look like a 16-year old kid at a HS talent show. He looked so nervous I thought he was gonna puke.

htismaqe · 03-13-2014, 01:35 PM

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I hadn't realized that Dio had made a third Sabbath album

Dehumanizer is a great album.

Frosty · 03-13-2014, 01:37 PM

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Dehumanizer is a great album.

Yeah, it's pretty good. I will have to say "Heaven and Hell" and "Mob Rules" are still my favorites, though that's probably still nostalgia talking.

htismaqe · 03-13-2014, 01:42 PM

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Yeah, it's pretty good. I will have to say "Heaven and Hell" and "Mob Rules" are still my favorites, though that's probably still nostalgia talking.

I TOTALLY agree.

I'm Mr. Nostalgia when it comes to music. I love "Dehumanizer" but it's just not even in the same zip code as those 2.

"Sign of the Southern Cross" is still one of the heaviest songs I've ever heard (even though we both know it's not) and "Children of the Sea" is my all time favorite.

The core of my collection is Sabbath (both versions), Dio, Ozzy, Scorpions (70's lineup with Uli Jon Roth), Motorhead, UFO, and Judas Priest.

Mile High Mania · 03-13-2014, 01:42 PM

The Sabbath tune that I can never turn away is War Pigs. They have a lot of great music, but that one always gets ... great driving song.

htismaqe · 03-13-2014, 01:46 PM

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The Sabbath tune that I can never turn away is War Pigs. They have a lot of great music, but that one always gets ... great driving song.

Feed your head, my friend. Feed your head.

Frosty · 03-13-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I TOTALLY agree.

I'm Mr. Nostalgia when it comes to music. I love "Dehumanizer" but it's just not even in the same zip code as those 2.

"Sign of the Southern Cross" is still one of the heaviest songs I've ever heard (even though we both know it's not) and "Children of the Sea" is my all time favorite.

The only thing that prevents "Heaven and Hell" from being the perfect metal album is "Lonely Is the Word", which I don't particularly care for.

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The core of my collection is Sabbath (both versions), Dio, Ozzy, Scorpions (70's lineup with Uli Jon Roth), Motorhead, UFO, and Judas Priest.

I'm with you on most of those. We've talked about it before but I'm not as high on the Dio solo stuff as you, particularly the later albums. I was a huge Rainbow fan, though.

I like "Lights Out" but have never owned any UFO albums (I did see the Michael Schenker Group in concert, does that count?).

I can't agree at all about Judas Priest, though. It's funny - I had "Hell Bent for Leather" in high school and loved that album but I have never liked anything else they did. I had a friend that was a huge Priest fan and he kept trying to convert me - even drug me along to the see them on their "Screaming for Vengeance" tour - and I just never particularly cared for them.

Dayze · 03-13-2014, 02:12 PM

one of my favorite albums is Rainbow In The Dark.
I could push play on that one, and listen to the entire thing and like every song.

Gypsy has one of my favorite riffs.

**Bowser** · 03-13-2014, 02:12 PM

Just for Frosty...

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htismaqe · 03-13-2014, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

The only thing that prevents "Heaven and Hell" from being the perfect metal album is "Lonely Is the Word", which I don't particularly care for.

**** dude. And here I thought we were having a moment. I ****ing LOVE that song. Heavy in a distinctly 70's way. Grinding but spacey.

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I was a huge Rainbow fan, though.

I have all of their albums with Dio. None of the later stuff.

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I like "Lights Out" but have never owned any UFO albums (I did see the Michael Schenker Group in concert, does that count?).

Kind of. He was a pretty much a worthless drunk by then, though.

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I can't agree at all about Judas Priest, though. It's funny - I had "Hell Bent for Leather" in high school and loved that album but I have never liked anything else they did. I had a friend that was a huge Priest fan and he kept trying to convert me - even drug me along to the see them on their "Screaming for Vengeance" tour - and I just never particularly cared for them.

Dude, "Sad Wings of Destiny", "Sin After Sin", and "Stained Class" are quintessential metal albums. Not the compartmentalized or synth stuff of the 80's. Crunchy, riffy 70's metal.

htismaqe · 03-13-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

one of my favorite albums is Rainbow In The Dark.
I could push play on that one, and listen to the entire thing and like every song.

Gypsy has one of my favorite riffs.

"Rainbow in the Dark" is actually a song. It's on the album "Holy Diver".

Frosty · 03-13-2014, 02:21 PM

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Just for Frosty...

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I actually don't mind this.

If I want to annoy the crap out of my son, I play this song.

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01-26-2014, 11:51 PM
Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $5199358	Megadeth > Metallica To start off: I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. In fact my first 5 years of playing electric guitar was solely based on Metallica. I started off playing Bluegrass guitar with my dad, even though my soul wasn't bluegrass. My first exposure to Metallica was hearing "Nothing Else Matters" on MTV before school waiting for my buddy to pick me up for school. I asked my brother if he had ever heard of them, and of course he had. He handed me a tape that had zero information of it. in that all the 'font' (for lack of a better word) was gone. It was a simple 'blank" tape. It was weathered, and the only thing I could determine that it was a Metallica tape was simply my brother's word. It was Master of Puppets Within 4 weeks, I had owned everything of Metallica and had thrown bluegrass by the wayside. Long loving Metallica fan for years; devoted. Having heard Megadeth and loving a few of their songs, I was still committed to Metallica. However, years later, I've discovered that I may have been premature in my categorization of music. Years had passed since I had really 'listened' to Megadeth. Years, as in 10+. Then, I stumbled upon a Megadeth record. While it escapes my memory at this point, the collective memory of the tunes has lead me to the belief that Megadeth is better than Metalica. While some, to what degree I don't know, may have always held this belief, the discovery of Megadeth is a new one for me. After listening to many records, Im beginning to feel more confident in saying that Megadeth is better. Obviously, it's subjective. Metallica's "Black" Album is equivalent to Pink Floy'd "The Wall" in terms of impact. However, Megadeth's "Symphony of Destruction", has been severely over-shadowed by the 'Black" album of Metallica. Subsequently, as it had been up to that point, Megadeth had fallen by the wayside. "Symphony of Destructions' release around the same time, was over-shadowed by the Black album. After what was a universal success of the Black album, Megadeth seemed to finally have received the kill shot. But, if we are to look at the records and time frame comparatively, I think Megadeth got the short end of the stick. Since then, Megadeth has sustained their status despite radio and marketing support. I've listened to several Megadeth albums/tunes from the "Black" album going forward, and I must say they are not getting the credit that is due. In some aspects, they blow Metallica out of the water. To be honest, they are quickly surpassing Metallica. I've always been a huge fan of Megadeth since the Mechanix type songs. But since Peace Sells Who's Buying album, Megadeth has gotten the shaft. By a LONG shot. TLDR....but oh well. Last edited by Dayze; 01-27-2014 at 12:07 AM..
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Frosty Go Beavers! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Warshington Casino cash: $5698243	It's funny. I was really into metal/hard rock/classic rock in high school up through the mid-80's. I wasn't a huge Black Sabbath fan until Dio joined but loved Ozzy's first two albums and saw him for both the "Speak of the Devil" tour and the "Bark at the Moon" tour. I was also really into a lot of the NWOBHM bands, particularly the "goth-y" ones like Holocaust, Demon and Angel Witch. By the mid-80's, about the time "ultimate Sin" comes out, I drifted away from metal as I was getting bored with the direction it was going. In fact, one of the last records I bought was "Kill 'Em All" by some unknown band. Fast forward way too many years and my oldest son finds my old metal and classic rock records. He becomes a huge Zeppelin, Sabbath, Ozzy and Metallica fan and buys up all of the stuff that I didn't have. It was kind of a crash course in getting caught up. I was so out of the loop that I hadn't realized that Dio had made a third Sabbath album (not counting as Heaven and Hell) and I hadn't heard any of the later Ozzy or Metallica albums. Anyway, the point of all of that was that I haven't really cared or even heard about the more recent controversies and mostly I have looked at this through nostalgia so it really doesn't matter to me. Just to stick with the OP, none of really liked Megadeth, mostly because of the singing.
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