Music Which was most influential - Page 11

KChiefer · 09-15-2012, 11:00 PM

Voted Beatles.

A while back PBS did a special called John Lennon's Jukebox. I really enjoyed it! They also released a compilation CD by the same name. The one thing I will always remember for it was them talking about a Gary "US" Bonds song called Watch Your Step. When I heard it, there is a riff that Led Zepplin directly lifted. I can't recall the name of the Zep song. Anyways, it showed me the back and forth between American artists influencing English artists which in turn influenced American artists.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/lennon/index.html

PS: Sitting here watching SNL and Frank Ocean just ended his song by playing an arcade game while John Mayer played a guitar solo. We've come a long way baby!

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Holy Shit. I'm a big supporter of remix culture, but I hold no fantasies that all previous rights holders were made whole.

There's shit ton that was repurposed without compensation. I've made my peace with it, but I don't claim righteousness.

EDIT: And yes, I'm aware Kirby is a Ginger Chewbacca

We've gone through this before: Copyright law is Lyric and Melody. If those songs were published and copyrighted, the original rights holders should have been compensated.

Now, I cannot claim with any accuracy that those songwriter in the video you provided were paid properly. What I can tell you is that since at least 1993, if there's a copyright/sample/whatever dispute, NO ONE gets paid until they're properly cleared.

Publishers usually work out all the details before songs are released on major labels and I'd imagine that if an Indie label released a record or song in which the label hadn't cleared the samples, they'd be slapped with an immediate injunction. Fortunately, that stuff doesn't happen to often any more.

**Baby Lee** · 09-15-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

We've gone through this before: Copyright law is Lyric and Melody. If those songs were published and copyrighted, the original rights holders should have been compensated.

Now, I cannot claim with any accuracy that those songwriter in the video you provided were paid properly. What I can tell you is that since at least 1993, if there's a copyright/sample/whatever dispute, NO ONE gets paid until they're properly cleared.

Publishers usually work out all the details before songs are released on major labels and I'd imagine that if an Indie label released a record or song in which the label hadn't cleared the samples, they'd be slapped with an immediate injunction. Fortunately, that stuff doesn't happen to often any more.

Are you telling us you have proof that Elvis was alive AND MAKING NEW MUSIC after 1993? That is AMAZING!!!!

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Are you telling us you have proof that Elvis was alive AND MAKING NEW MUSIC after 1993? That is AMAZING!!!!

What? What did I miss?

**Baby Lee** · 09-15-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What? What did I miss?

You started off stating Elvis didn't steal shit, then backed it up with not knowing shit about IP compensation of the era and assuring us that everything has been copacetic since 1993.

Just following your line of assurance.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You started off stating Elvis didn't steal shit, then backed it up with not knowing shit about IP compensation of the era and assuring us that everything has been copacetic since 1993.

Just following your line of assurance.

I'd like for you to prove to me that Elvis stole intellectual property.

I'd like for you to prove to me that Bob Dylan stole IP.

I'd also like for you to prove to me that since 1993, things haven't been "copacetic".

Thanks in advance.

Psyko Tek · 09-15-2012, 11:18 PM

rather listen to eddie and the cruisers

|Zach| · 09-15-2012, 11:20 PM

This isn't really a response to the OP but talking about producing and recording which I don't have any first hand knowledge of I find myself *really* drawn to the old "wall of sound" Phil Spectorish style of songs. That shit never gets old for me.

I always love hearing it in The Ronettes and Beach Boys stuff and it seems to my untrained ear to show up in some newer work especially with Grizzly Bear and The Morning Benders.

So rich and enjoyable. Just fantastic.

|Zach| · 09-15-2012, 11:25 PM

Don't a lot of musicians point to Warren Zevon as a big influence. Not more so than the options above but it seems like this is the least talked about influential artists that artists look to themselves.

**AustinChief** · 09-15-2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Don't a lot of musicians point to Warren Zevon as a big influence. Not more so than the options above but it seems like this is the least talked about influential artists that artists look to themselves.

yep, and Gordon Lightfoot and Elvis Costello and here is an obscure one.. but they were MASSIVELY influential.. The Kingston trio.

EDIT: I just saw you mentioned Phil Spector.. I have been harping on him all thread. Crazy amount of influence and innovation from him.

Surprised that no one has mentioned Zappa or Captain Beefheart.

|Zach| · 09-15-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

yep, and Gordon Lightfoot and Elvis Costello and here is an obscure one.. but they were MASSIVELY influential.. The Kingston trio.

Love Elvis Costello...Lightfoot is a bit hit or miss with me.

**Baby Lee** · 09-15-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Don't a lot of musicians point to Warren Zevon as a big influence. Not more so than the options above but it seems like this is the least talked about influential artists that artists look to themselves.

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Love Elvis Costello...Lightfoot is a bit hit or miss with me.

John Prine, Leonard Cohen, Frank Black, blah blah, late 80's blah.

|Zach| · 09-15-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

John Prine, Leonard Cohen, Frank Black, blah blah, late3 80s blah.

I often don't understand why I connect with some artists and don't connect with others. I have been trying to seek out those common threads for so long and it fails me.

**AustinChief** · 09-15-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Love Elvis Costello...Lightfoot is a bit hit or miss with me.

Costello is amazing.. Lightfoot is Canadian.. so you know, he is gonna do some crap... amazing that a filthy Canuck did as well as he did though!

Of course at this point we are moving more into the songwriting realm.. where you'd have to mention guys like John Denver or JimmY Webb

|Zach| · 09-15-2012, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Costello is amazing.. Lightfoot is Canadian.. so you know, he is gonna do some crap... amazing that a filthy Canuck did as well as he did though!

Of course at this point we are moving more into the songwriting realm.. where you'd have to mention guys like John Denver or JimmY Webb

Nick Drake. Not real sure on his influence but sure of my enjoyment of the music.

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The Beatles	38	22.09%
Elvis Presley	25	14.53%
John Cafferty & The Beaver Brown Band	102	59.30%
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09-15-2012, 11:00 PM	#1
KChiefer Fantastic Planeteer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Casino cash: $10006721	Voted Beatles. A while back PBS did a special called John Lennon's Jukebox. I really enjoyed it! They also released a compilation CD by the same name. The one thing I will always remember for it was them talking about a Gary "US" Bonds song called Watch Your Step. When I heard it, there is a riff that Led Zepplin directly lifted. I can't recall the name of the Zep song. Anyways, it showed me the back and forth between American artists influencing English artists which in turn influenced American artists. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/lennon/index.html PS: Sitting here watching SNL and Frank Ocean just ended his song by playing an arcade game while John Mayer played a guitar solo. We've come a long way baby!
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09-15-2012, 11:18 PM	#7
Psyko Tek special teams Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mesa AZ Casino cash: $10015665	rather listen to eddie and the cruisers __________________ Psyko Tek The keyboard has been drinking,
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09-15-2012, 11:20 PM	#8
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5236768	This isn't really a response to the OP but talking about producing and recording which I don't have any first hand knowledge of I find myself really drawn to the old "wall of sound" Phil Spectorish style of songs. That shit never gets old for me. I always love hearing it in The Ronettes and Beach Boys stuff and it seems to my untrained ear to show up in some newer work especially with Grizzly Bear and The Morning Benders. So rich and enjoyable. Just fantastic.
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09-15-2012, 11:25 PM	#9
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5236768	Don't a lot of musicians point to Warren Zevon as a big influence. Not more so than the options above but it seems like this is the least talked about influential artists that artists look to themselves.
Posts: 53,461