Today 12/27 Mel Kiper says.......

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

I don't think I look stupid at all.

Tell me Russel Wilson wasn't judged on his size and measurables vs his leadership and desire to be great.

Kiper likes gooseneck because he is 2930 feet tall.

His leadership and 'desire to be great' have not one damn thing to do with his success.

Matt Cassel would love to be great and it just doesn't matter. Tim Tebow is an exceptional leader and would probably be one of those guys that cuts off a digit if it made him a better player. Doesn't matter - still sucks.

What makes Wilson this good is his talent and decisionmaking. He was judged on his size rather than his talent, that is true. His downfield arm and especially his intermediate accuracy was questioned because he wasn't a big passer.

Your descriptions are just worthless flowery prose designed to cover national pundits that couldn't bring themselves to admit that they just didn't look at the tape closely enough.

All of this was available to see if you looked for it. Guys like Kiper (and myself) just hate to admit it.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

His leadership and 'desire to be great' have not one damn thing to do with his success.

Matt Cassel would love to be great and it just doesn't matter. Tim Tebow is an exceptional leader and would probably be one of those guys that cuts off a digit if it made him a better player. Doesn't matter - still sucks.

What makes Wilson this good is his talent and decisionmaking. He was judged on his size rather than his talent, that is true. His downfield arm and especially his intermediate accuracy was questioned because he wasn't a big passer.

Your descriptions are just worthless flowery prose designed to cover national pundits that couldn't bring themselves to admit that they just didn't look at the tape closely enough.

All of this was available to see if you looked for it. Guys like Kiper (and myself) just hate to admit it.

I understand your point, but I think you complete whiffed on mine.
How can you argue with me that the media scouts put way too much emphasis on measurables (size, weight, 40times, etc) when doing their rankings/mocks?

After watching Glennon vs Geno film, I cannot understand WTF Kiper is thinking except that Glennon is a giraffe.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

His leadership and 'desire to be great' have not one damn thing to do with his success.

Matt Cassel would love to be great and it just doesn't matter. Tim Tebow is an exceptional leader and would probably be one of those guys that cuts off a digit if it made him a better player. Doesn't matter - still sucks.

What makes Wilson this good is his talent and decisionmaking. He was judged on his size rather than his talent, that is true. His downfield arm and especially his intermediate accuracy was questioned because he wasn't a big passer.

Your descriptions are just worthless flowery prose designed to cover national pundits that couldn't bring themselves to admit that they just didn't look at the tape closely enough.

All of this was available to see if you looked for it. Guys like Kiper (and myself) just hate to admit it.

Jay Cutler has all those physical things you talk about. He doesn't have that leadership or desire to be great. Where has it gotten him?