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Old 04-23-2007, 08:40 AM  
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Pretty alarmist, IMO, but possible.

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Old 07-01-2011, 01:53 PM   #2971
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Okay. I'm glad that aren't entirely opposed to nuclear. Just as an example, here are some numbers:

Wind farm near Salina
Covers 12,000 acres
Generates 100 MW

Wolf Creek
Covers about three acres
Generates 1,100 MW

We'll utilize oil until something else comes along that is as efficient in terms of both economics and physics.

Glad we agree on that. I just we think we should do it before it runs out and we're fucked. Surely you can agree with that.

I'm aware that solar is fairly limited, (I trust your #'s without asking for a source), from what I understand Geothermal is where we get the most self renewing source of energy. But supplementing it with clean stuff too like solar, wind and wave wouldn't hurt.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:57 PM   #2972
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So you want to cover the entire country with solar panels, wind farms and our entire coast(s) with wave generation?
The entire country/coastline? Of course not. But some of it sure.

Like I said before, Geothermal, based on what I've read from scientific studies, it the one's that's gonna save us from out dependcy on oil, if the politicians filling their pockets worldwide with Big Oils profits ever allow us. And again, I'm not smart enough to tell you why, but I know science has more than enough proof it can be done.

You'd prefer a clean, self sustaining renewable engery resouce like Geothermal over Oil and Nuclear for you and your children and children's children if possible, wouldn't you? I know I would.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:58 PM   #2973
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Glad we agree on that. I just we think we should do it before it runs out and we're fucked. Surely you can agree with that.

I'm aware that solar is fairly limited, (I trust your #'s without asking for a source), from what I understand Geothermal is where we get the most self renewing source of energy. But supplementing it with clean stuff too like solar, wind and wave wouldn't hurt.
Renewable energy is great as a supplement, but it's folly to think that it will meet our power needs now, let alone if we switched all our hydrocarbon-fueled vehicles to EV.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:02 PM   #2974
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Renewable energy is great as a supplement, but it's folly to think that it will meet our power needs now, let alone if we switched all our hydrocarbon-fueled vehicles to EV.
Agree 100 percent. But the sooner we get to it, the better off we'll be. Why put off tommorrow what we can start today?
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:21 PM   #2975
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The entire country/coastline? Of course not. But some of it sure.

Like I said before, Geothermal, based on what I've read from scientific studies, it the one's that's gonna save us from out dependcy on oil, if the politicians filling their pockets worldwide with Big Oils profits ever allow us. And again, I'm not smart enough to tell you why, but I know science has more than enough proof it can be done.

You'd prefer a clean, self sustaining renewable engery resouce like Geothermal over Oil and Nuclear for you and your children and children's children if possible, wouldn't you? I know I would.
Geothermal potential nationwide is something like 125,000 MW, which is about 25% of what we use right now.
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Agree 100 percent. But the sooner we get to it, the better off we'll be. Why put off tommorrow what we can start today?
We ARE doing it right now. Look at this graph:

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Old 07-01-2011, 02:26 PM   #2977
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We ARE doing it right now. Look at this graph:

Fantastic! I still think geothermal is the way to go, that's what all the experts (that give a crap) say. And it's research is FAR from being properly funded and therefore researched. Who would have thought just 6 years ago it could generate 25 percent of our energy? I bet as science advances (and people get fed up with self serving politicians) it could mean even more than that.

Thanks for the graph.
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I wish it were that far away.
You know, they find new pockets of crude and natural gas fairly regularly.
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You know, they find new pockets of crude and natural gas fairly regularly.
Of course, but not 100 yrs worth. Donger seems to know far about energy than I do, and he didn't agree with you, which means you were probably wrong.
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Of course, but not 100 yrs worth. Donger seems to know far about energy than I do, and he didn't agree with you, which means you were probably wrong.
Where is the post where he disagrees with me?
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i never said there was. but he and i were arguing when you posted that and he didn't say anything, so i'm assuming he didn't agree. i'm sure he'll be along soon enough to confirm things!
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I just don't believe we will ever completely run out of crude. Its not like there was a set amount placed there several million years ago.

FWIW, I would love to see us drastically cut back on crude consumption and focus on alternatives.
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i never said there was. but he and i were arguing when you posted that and he didn't say anything, so i'm assuming he didn't agree. i'm sure he'll be along soon enough to confirm things!
If Donger saw my post and did not agree he certainly would have commented.
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i never said there was. but he and i were arguing when you posted that and he didn't say anything, so i'm assuming he didn't agree. i'm sure he'll be along soon enough to confirm things!
100 years is probably realistic, but no one knows for certain. It's not 25 years, though.
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