Chiefs PFF talks Chiefs O-line

Hammock Parties · 04-03-2012, 03:30 AM

This is also an excellent article explaining some of their grading process.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-april-2-2012/

You guys have talked a lot about Barry Richardson dragging down the quality of the Chiefs’ line. Now that they’ve added Eric Winston, how do you think their line grades out compared to the rest of the league? – Matt Conner

Ben Stockwell: The addition of Winston immediately makes the Chiefs one of the best offensive lines in the league. In terms of an offensive line ranking, Winston not only upgrades a line that we ranked 16th in the 2011 season, it plugs their biggest weakness and also takes away one of the best players from our fifth-ranked offensive line from last season. It doesn’t solve all of their problems, but any time that you can replace arguably the worst right tackle in the league with arguably the best, well you can’t really make a bigger jump than that.

You can only really imagine where the Chiefs might be if they hadn’t made the hasty decision of cutting Jared Gaither during the middle of the year. A line of Gaither at left tackle, Winston at right tackle and shifting Branden Albert inside to his collegiate position of guard would be a fearsome group for the Chiefs’ backfield duo of Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis to run behind. As it is, they don’t have Gaither anymore, but they’re not exactly short changed.

The biggest obstacle for the Chiefs to improve in 2012 will be getting more from there interior offensive line as run blockers. Winston really helps them on the edge–not only in upgrading their pass protection, but also helping them spring more runs off-tackle–but Jon Asamoah and Ryan Lilja really need to up their game as interior run blockers. It’s just about all this line is missing now that they have made that big leap at right tackle.

ChiefMojo · 04-03-2012, 05:08 AM

This is where drafting someone like OG David DeCastro at #11 make the Chiefs have arguably the best OL in all of football (or at least on their way to having the best once were a little more seasoned).

lcarus · 04-04-2012, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

This is where drafting someone like OG David DeCastro at #11 make the Chiefs have arguably the best OL in all of football (or at least on their way to having the best once were a little more seasoned).

We're gonna have a really good o-line. It's a shame we don't have a QB worth a shit.

Blick · 04-03-2012, 05:27 AM

It seems like center has been the forgotten position so far this off-season. We've heard a lot more about how we need to upgrade at nose, inside LB, and safety, but I think center is right up there in terms of importance.

I like Hudson, but he's unproven, and his natural position is guard.

I'd like to see the Chiefs get a true center at some point in the draft and have Hudson take Lilja's spot.

prhom · 04-03-2012, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blick

It seems like center has been the forgotten position so far this off-season. We've heard a lot more about how we need to upgrade at nose, inside LB, and safety, but I think center is right up there in terms of importance.

I like Hudson, but he's unproven, and his natural position is guard.

I'd like to see the Chiefs get a true center at some point in the draft and have Hudson take Lilja's spot.

The guys on NFL network over the weekend were talking about DeCastro and mentioned that he did some drills as a center on his pro day. This article also lauds his flexibility and even talent playing as not only a guard but a center too.

http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2012...-stanford.html

I think this makes DeCastro an even better pick at #11. We get a guy who can be great at guard, or if Hudson can't hack it at center or gets injured, step in and play center at the same level. Drafting a great player who gives you flexibility and a contingency plan on o line is a no-brainier. Unless Richardson somehow makes it to us or we get a ridiculous offer to trade down I think he's our pick.

Blick · 04-03-2012, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Still would much rather just keep Hudson at center and just get a vet to back him up if he isn't ready.

Which vet?

Quote:

Originally Posted by prhom

The guys on NFL network over the weekend were talking about DeCastro and mentioned that he did some drills as a center on his pro day. This article also lauds his flexibility and even talent playing as not only a guard but a center too.

http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2012...-stanford.html

I think this makes DeCastro an even better pick at #11. We get a guy who can be great at guard, or if Hudson can't hack it at center or gets injured, step in and play center at the same level. Drafting a great player who gives you flexibility and a contingency plan on o line is a no-brainier. Unless Richardson somehow makes it to us or we get a ridiculous offer to trade down I think he's our pick.

I like versatility, but for some reason, I don't like guards moving to center. I like natural centers. The center-QB exchange is not something I like putting in the hands of an inexperienced guy.

yeti · 04-03-2012, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blick

Which vet?

I like versatility, but for some reason, I don't like guards moving to center. I like natural centers. The center-QB exchange is not something I like putting in the hands of an inexperienced guy.

Philip Rivers says "THIS"

ChiefMojo · 04-03-2012, 05:29 AM

Still would much rather just keep Hudson at center and just get a vet to back him up if he isn't ready.

**Saul Good** · 04-03-2012, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Still would much rather just keep Hudson at center and just get a vet to back him up if he isn't ready.

How can we "keep" Hudson at Center? The guy has never snapped the ball in the NFL nor did he ever start a game there in college.

He was a 3* recruit at Center in high school who blossomed into an All-American Guard in college. How many times do we have to watch the Chiefs switch players' positions around to disasterous results before we quit pining for a patchwork team?

prhom · 04-03-2012, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

How can we "keep" Hudson at Center? The guy has never snapped the ball in the NFL nor did he ever start a game there in college.

He was a 3* recruit at Center in high school who blossomed into an All-American Guard in college. How many times do we have to watch the Chiefs switch players' positions around to disasterous results before we quit pining for a patchwork team?

Hudson is an unknown quantity at center, and none of us know just how comfortable Crennel is going into the season with Hudson as our center. Though one would think he's pretty comfortable with him or I think we'd have been more active in going after Wells. Surely the plan isn't to draft a center and have himstart over a guy we've been working on at that position for a year? Maybe that's our plan a, trade down and take Konz... theres too many variables to know at this point.

Chief3188 · 04-03-2012, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

How can we "keep" Hudson at Center? The guy has never snapped the ball in the NFL nor did he ever start a game there in college.

He was a 3* recruit at Center in high school who blossomed into an All-American Guard in college. How many times do we have to watch the Chiefs switch players' positions around to disasterous results before we quit pining for a patchwork team?

Tamba Hali laughs at your statement and curses your mother in Liberian.

**ChiefGator** · 04-04-2012, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Tamba Hali laughs at your statement and curses your mother in Liberian.

Liberia's official language is English, so not sure how scary that would be.

jspchief · 04-04-2012, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Liberia's official language is English, so not sure how scary that would be.

Coming from an angry Hali? Pretty scary.

Chief3188 · 04-25-2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Liberia's official language is English, so not sure how scary that would be.

lol

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-03-2012, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

How can we "keep" Hudson at Center? The guy has never snapped the ball in the NFL nor did he ever start a game there in college.

He was a 3* recruit at Center in high school who blossomed into an All-American Guard in college. How many times do we have to watch the Chiefs switch players' positions around to disasterous results before we quit pining for a patchwork team?

Well, Konz has never snapped a football in the NFL either.

04-03-2012, 03:30 AM	Topic Starter
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4650478	PFF talks Chiefs O-line This is also an excellent article explaining some of their grading process. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-april-2-2012/ You guys have talked a lot about Barry Richardson dragging down the quality of the Chiefs’ line. Now that they’ve added Eric Winston, how do you think their line grades out compared to the rest of the league? – Matt Conner Ben Stockwell: The addition of Winston immediately makes the Chiefs one of the best offensive lines in the league. In terms of an offensive line ranking, Winston not only upgrades a line that we ranked 16th in the 2011 season, it plugs their biggest weakness and also takes away one of the best players from our fifth-ranked offensive line from last season. It doesn’t solve all of their problems, but any time that you can replace arguably the worst right tackle in the league with arguably the best, well you can’t really make a bigger jump than that. You can only really imagine where the Chiefs might be if they hadn’t made the hasty decision of cutting Jared Gaither during the middle of the year. A line of Gaither at left tackle, Winston at right tackle and shifting Branden Albert inside to his collegiate position of guard would be a fearsome group for the Chiefs’ backfield duo of Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis to run behind. As it is, they don’t have Gaither anymore, but they’re not exactly short changed. The biggest obstacle for the Chiefs to improve in 2012 will be getting more from there interior offensive line as run blockers. Winston really helps them on the edge–not only in upgrading their pass protection, but also helping them spring more runs off-tackle–but Jon Asamoah and Ryan Lilja really need to up their game as interior run blockers. It’s just about all this line is missing now that they have made that big leap at right tackle.
Posts: 278,054

04-03-2012, 05:08 AM	#2
ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	This is where drafting someone like OG David DeCastro at #11 make the Chiefs have arguably the best OL in all of football (or at least on their way to having the best once were a little more seasoned).
Posts: 2,283

04-03-2012, 05:27 AM	#4
Blick Veteran Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South KC Casino cash: $10004900	It seems like center has been the forgotten position so far this off-season. We've heard a lot more about how we need to upgrade at nose, inside LB, and safety, but I think center is right up there in terms of importance. I like Hudson, but he's unproven, and his natural position is guard. I'd like to see the Chiefs get a true center at some point in the draft and have Hudson take Lilja's spot.
Posts: 1,209

04-03-2012, 05:29 AM	#8
ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	Still would much rather just keep Hudson at center and just get a vet to back him up if he isn't ready.
Posts: 2,283