Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

[the Talking Can]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

[Contrarian]

Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides

There's just no way this team escapes a 3 or 4 game losing streak at some point. It's unfortunate, but the offense is that bad.

No they're not. We are taking what's given. No need to THROW THE FRICKIN BALL DOWN THE FRICKIN FIELD IF YOU HAVEN"T PLAYED FROM BEHIND IN A GAME YET YOU MOTHER****IN MORONS!!!

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

well, I would hope that you wouldn't. I really am not out to troll at all.

I don't care if it's intentional or just a by product of your painful stupidity. 90% of what you post makes me want to hurt someone.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we need more 49ers fans trying to tell us things about our team...really, you guys are all so insightful

you don't know a god damn thing about Bowe, which is obvious...

but I'll wait around for all this 'lackadaisical effort' that you and only you have seen...

could you clue us in to where and when this happened?

Don't be to hard them they are trying to educate us podunk fans about how awesome Alex Smith is and how they pleasure themselves by looking at his pictures and photo stills.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

if you want a dishonest answer to appease the crying? then fine... I made it up.

feel better now, puddin'?

no one cares what 49er fans think about Chiefs*..ever..and no one cares about your feelings...ever

you're a ****ing infestation of idiots

* well, Marcellus does, he wishes he were a 49ers fan so that he could have followed Smith here and be a real fanboi

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

One of the interesting things I've seen with the win-now thing is that the team is winning because of no turnovers and game management, but who gives a shit about going 3 and out on the 50 followed by a FG after starting a drive inside the 10.... yet, the team would crumble if they had a quarterback (or playcalling) who stretched the field and sacrificed a few INTs for big plays. The defense can surely make up for an inept offense, but there's no way they could make up for a turnover here and there.

There are very few, if any, complete teams in the NFL.

Green Bay has a great QB and a shit defense. The Giants have a great QB and a shit team (so far). The 49ers have been a joke all the way around.

The defense is ahead of the offense for one simple reason: Since 2005, the Chiefs have chosen a defensive player with their first pick of the draft seven times. They've chosen an offensive player three times, one of which is no longer with the team and the other is a non-skill position player.

Second round and later round defensive players have also made more of an impact than their offensive counterparts.

The worst part is that after years of drafting offensive lineman, tight ends and a few wide receivers, the Chiefs are lacking talent on the offensive line, tight end and WR position.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

And who's very difficult to tackle once he has it.

Theoretically speaking, this offense should suit him well.

Exactly.

Especially with a guy who's supposed to be one of the most accurate passers under ten yards. Just throw him a decent ball and he's going to come away with it 9/10. He fights for balls and gets them. And once he does; he gets YAC.

It should be a match made in heaven, but I suppose Avery is our secret weapon this year?

No complaints there. I'm glad to have a somewhat viable #2; but Bowe isn't getting paid to be a ****ing decoy out there. Or at least I hope that isn't the plan. If he's drawing double teams I can see looking away. Is that really the case? Is Bowe double covered nearly every passing play? Don't think so.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't care if it's intentional or just a by product of your painful stupidity. 90% of what you post makes me want to hurt someone.

Well then, put me on ignore and save someone a black eye.. or save yourself from going to prison. I won't hold it against you. I am not saying anything wrong. People here just can't seem to handle any type of criticism, and tend to exaggerate everything into epic proportions. Nothing I can do about that.

[Titty Meat]

His numbers after 3 games are similar to 3 other seasons talk about the overreaction of the century.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

it was 'no excuses' on this board when we traded for Smith

the minute he shows up it's nothing but excuses...but that was inevitable

Chiefs fan refuse to expect things from their QBs, it's always someone else's fault...shit, people were blaming Charles in the eagles game thread

and now that Smith is here...McCluster sucks...notice how people gave up that argument...yeah

So you are seriously going to imply the biggest issue with the offense right now is Smith?

Charles did have issues in the Eagles game. Thats why Reid was reaming his ass.

I watched all offensive snaps of the Eagles game again last night. Smith had about 2 or 3 head scratchers out of 78 offensive plays.

Albert lined up improperly 2 times, Fisher was called for holding and was beat like a drum all the first half and the run blocking was horrendous.The OL had 6 total penalties.

We completed 3 3rd and more than 10 yard conversions and were 0-3 on 3rd and 1 running the ball.

You only see what you want to see. Keep talking about people making excuses when you cant even objectively look at whats actually happening in a game.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

no one cares what 49er fans think about Chiefs*..ever..and no one cares about your feelings...ever

you're a ****ing infestation of idiots

* well, Marcellus does, he wishes he were a 49ers fan so that he could have followed Smith here and be a real fanboi

so you don't care about me... I don't care about you... ookay.. blah blah blah...

I think we can live with that. We done with this dazzling display of communication now, or is there more you would like to talk about with someone you don't care about? That it? Oookay. Bye now?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Exactly.

Especially with a guy who's supposed to be one of the most accurate passers under ten yards. Just throw him a decent ball and he's going to come away with it 9/10. He fights for balls and gets them. And once he does; he gets YAC.

It should be a match made in heaven, but I suppose Avery is our secret weapon this year?

No complaints there. I'm glad to have a somewhat viable #2; but Bowe isn't getting paid to be a ****ing decoy out there. Or at least I hope that isn't the plan. If he's drawing double teams I can see looking away. Is that really the case? Is Bowe double covered nearly every passing play? Don't think so.

I thought Avery was a great signing over the summer. Now if they can just ditch the McCluster shit and get Hemingway on the field.

I think there's a lot more talent on this unit than people realize. This isn't the days of Chris Thomas and Snoop Minnis. They just have to find a way to get it all together. Getting Fasano and/or Kelce back will help. Assuming that ever actually happens.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

correct, the notion that Bowe is lazy is idiotic

the idea that he isn't good enough for Smith is idiotic

There's nothing lazy about Bowe - he's busted his ass for this franchise since they drafted him.

That being said - he's not been very reliable this year. I don't think he has an official drop yet, but I've seen 4 balls that really should've been caught go off his hands so far this year, including the first 2 that went his way in the Eagles game.

Meanwhile, Avery's bringing in those passes in traffic; the 3rd down from the endzone being the most obvious example.

It's on Smith to some degree in that he has to work on trusting Dwayne Bowe - the guys bonafides are apparent to all. At some point he's going to have to just go with the resume.

But at the same time, Bowe's simply not done as much to earn Smith's trust to this point as Avery has and I think that's why you see Smith looking to Avery a little more.

I'm not worried - Smith's a smart cat and he'll figure out that he has a very large man he can throw to who will get it, run a guy over and rumble for another 15-20 yards. But the chemistry hasn't clicked yet because so far, those plays just aren't coming together.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There's nothing lazy about Bowe - he's busted his ass for this franchise since they drafted him.

That being said - he's not been very reliable this year. I don't think he has an official drop yet, but I've seen 4 balls that really should've been caught go off his hands so far this year, including the first 2 that went his way in the Eagles game.

Meanwhile, Avery's bringing in those passes in traffic; the 3rd down from the endzone being the most obvious example.

It's on Smith to some degree in that he has to work on trusting Dwayne Bowe - the guys bonafides are apparent to all. At some point he's going to have to just go with the resume.

But at the same time, Bowe's simply not done as much to earn Smith's trust to this point as Avery has and I think that's why you see Smith looking to Avery a little more.

I'm not worried - Smith's a smart cat and he'll figure out that he has a very large man he can throw to who will get it, run a guy over and rumble for another 15-20 yards. But the chemistry hasn't clicked yet because so far, those plays just aren't coming together.

Great post, as always. Wish CP had 100 more just like you.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

His numbers after 3 games are similar to 3 other seasons talk about the overreaction of the century.

The most ridiculous overreaction is to Smith.

If Smith had "forced" the ball to his receivers instead of making smart decisions, this team could easily be 1-2.

But because Smith didn't force the ball to his receivers or make stupid errors, penalties or interceptions, he's played "scared".

Yet, the Chiefs are 3-0.

Dumb.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There's nothing lazy about Bowe - he's busted his ass for this franchise since they drafted him.

That being said - he's not been very reliable this year. I don't think he has an official drop yet, but I've seen 4 balls that really should've been caught go off his hands so far this year, including the first 2 that went his way in the Eagles game.

Meanwhile, Avery's bringing in those passes in traffic; the 3rd down from the endzone being the most obvious example.

It's on Smith to some degree in that he has to work on trusting Dwayne Bowe - the guys bonafides are apparent to all. At some point he's going to have to just go with the resume.

But at the same time, Bowe's simply not done as much to earn Smith's trust to this point as Avery has and I think that's why you see Smith looking to Avery a little more.

I'm not worried - Smith's a smart cat and he'll figure out that he has a very large man he can throw to who will get it, run a guy over and rumble for another 15-20 yards. But the chemistry hasn't clicked yet because so far, those plays just aren't coming together.

This is a very reasonable take. I can see that coming into play as well.