Have you ever used steroids, HGH, etc.?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Nice meathead logic. As though there are only two possible options.

There are more, but in the end who gives a shit what they do. It's not like these guys and girls are meth heads stealing shit out of your garage. I don't see the issue with someone wanting to feel better about themselves. Typically they are the ones that are more productive members of society.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

There are more, but in the end who gives a shit what they do. It's not like these guys and girls are meth heads stealing shit out of your garage. I don't see the issue with someone wanting to feel better about themselves. Typically they are the ones that are more productive members of society.

If you need to take PEDs to feel better about yourself you have issues that the PEDs won't fix.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you need to take PEDs to feel better about yourself you have issues that the PEDs won't fix.

So this is just one of those things you're against just because you're against it?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So this is just one of those things you're against just because you're against it?

I find guys that are about 150 usually are against it.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I find guys that are about 150 usually are against it.

I'm only 160. It sounds crazy to say because I hear 160 pounds and think of a 14 year old. It's amazing how much weight the average person carries around that is just fat.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I'm only 160. It sounds crazy to say because I hear 160 pounds and think of a 14 year old. It's amazing how much weight the average person carries around that is just fat.

That's true. I train with a guy going for his 3rd NPC Mr Missouri title. He won his last one at 175lbs, but he's also only about 5'5.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I'm only 160. It sounds crazy to say because I hear 160 pounds and think of a 14 year old. It's amazing how much weight the average person carries around that is just fat.

How tall are you?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

So this is just one of those things you're against just because you're against it?

Please point me to where I said that.

PEDs do not help people with body image issues any more than puking helps people with body image issues. The need to use artificial supplementation to improve your mass when there are dozens of edible options that can work is simultaneously hubristic and craven.

I think average Joes using HGH and steroids are moronic. Let me clarify: they are a combination of vain, lazy, and moronic.

There is no evidence they reverse aging, Stallone.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Please point me to where I said that.

PEDs do not help people with body image issues any more than puking helps people with body image issues. The need to use artificial supplementation to improve your mass when there are dozens of edible options that can work is simultaneously hubristic and craven.

I think average Joes using HGH and steroids are moronic. Let me clarify: they are a combination of vain, lazy, and moronic.

There is no evidence they reverse aging, Stallone.

I've never even used a supplement from GNC. That said, there is plenty of evidence that HGH slows the aging process.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

That said, there is plenty of evidence that HGH slows the aging process.

Great. Then we'll be subject to your stupid shit for even longer?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Because one has decided periodontal benefits and the other is for failed insurance salesmen who need a reason to feel like a man that their careers and bodies obviously can't fulfill.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Great. Then we'll be subject to your stupid shit for even longer?

How emotionally frail must you be that you feel the need to elevate every discussion into a fist fight?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I've never even used a supplement from GNC. That said, there is plenty of evidence that HGH slows the aging process.

There is none. In fact, there is greater evidence that it increases the growth of tumors than any that establishes its reerunation of the aging process.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I've never even used a supplement from GNC. That said, there is plenty of evidence that HGH slows the aging process.

I think the last studies I saw showed it helped with healing, but not anti-aging. Most of the people that I know that have used it really didn't think it was worth the money.

[Aspengc8]

I've dabbled with low dose test cycles throughout college football as well as through playing minor league ball for a couple years. Never tried any orals since we drank so much in college I didnt want to overload my liver too much. Had no issues whatsoever other than a slight breeze will give you an erection.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

I've dabbled with low dose test cycles throughout college football as well as through playing minor league ball for a couple years. Had no issues whatsoever other than a slight breeze will give you an erection.

The major risk of T is shutting messing up your HPTA for life. A lot of kids and adults for that matter take it and have no idea what the proper Post Cycle Therapy protocol is. If you are educated and do what Loochy did and researched for 2 years so you know what you are doing it's pretty safe.