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Old 04-20-2008, 05:48 PM  
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We need to trade Derrick Johnson
He's gonna be a free agent soon and we just know he will leave!!!

we better just take what we can get right now before it's too late.


oh noes ... trade him, trade them all before they leave us!!

for the luv of gawd ....... trade them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:44 PM   #61
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$3 to $4 million? How do you figure? Where did you learn math?

He'd lose more like $11-15 million per season. He's hoping to sign a $70-$80 million dollar deal with a $30 million dollar signing bonus.

Regardless, he can't be trusted. Regardless of all the rest, he's not "one of your friends".

He's a hyper-talented athlete who's been given every chance to overcome his alcohol problems, yet he's only been able to do it in a contract year.

Sorry, that doesn't bode well for the future. Especially AFTER he's received a $25 million dollar plus signing bonus.

$30 million guaranteed isn't a $30 million signing bonus
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:55 PM   #62
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$3 to $4 million? How do you figure? Where did you learn math?

He'd lose more like $11-15 million per season. He's hoping to sign a $70-$80 million dollar deal with a $30 million dollar signing bonus.

Regardless, he can't be trusted. Regardless of all the rest, he's not "one of your friends".

He's a hyper-talented athlete who's been given every chance to overcome his alcohol problems, yet he's only been able to do it in a contract year.

Sorry, that doesn't bode well for the future. Especially AFTER he's received a $25 million dollar plus signing bonus.
When you are suspended you lose your salary. They do not go back and take back signing bonuses. Normally when these contracts are signed the initial years have low salaries and they gradually get higher.

My guess is that the first couple years will be in the $3-4 M range. (I think this is all the justification you are looking for. I don't think you really want to know that I learned math at St Thomas Moore in southern KC.)

He has matured. We do not need him to not drink at his bar. We just need him to not drive home from there. For $3-4 M a year he will not do that. Plus, the jail time he would face.

With $20m in his pocket he can afford a limo/cab.
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:17 AM   #63
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When you are suspended you lose your salary. They do not go back and take back signing bonuses. Normally when these contracts are signed the initial years have low salaries and they gradually get higher.

My guess is that the first couple years will be in the $3-4 M range. (I think this is all the justification you are looking for. I don't think you really want to know that I learned math at St Thomas Moore in southern KC.)

He has matured. We do not need him to not drink at his bar. We just need him to not drive home from there. For $3-4 M a year he will not do that. Plus, the jail time he would face.

With $20m in his pocket he can afford a limo/cab.
Dude, his salary at ANY point during his NFL career would MORE than cover the cost of a taxi. The bottom line is that he wasn't smart enough to take a taxi.

So, instead of hiring a driver or taking a taxi, what did he opt to do? Quit drinking altogether! That's a little strange, isn't it? It's not like he publicly hired a driver - he quit drinking altogether. Kind of like cutting off the head to save the body. It really doesn't make much sense.

Additionally, there's NO way in the world that after signing a $75 million dollar contract (with a minimum - $25 million dollar contract), that he'd only cost $3 million against the cap. Maybe more like $10-$12 million but not $3 million.

NFW.
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:20 AM   #64
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they very fact that Atlanta can ATTEMPT to retrieve their money is proof that behavior clauses in contracts have gone through.

thanks for proving my point for me ....... next.
Has anyone recovered any money from Jake Plummer yet?
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:24 AM   #65
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Has anyone recovered any money from Jake Plummer yet?
I think he lost it all on the the handball court
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:29 AM   #66
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I think he lost it all on the the handball court
I told him that he didn't really have to pay me.
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:34 AM   #67
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Handball not Handjob





















You left yourself wide open on that one
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:37 AM   #68
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You left yourself wide open on that one
Bastage. I owe you.
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:40 AM   #69
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Seems like your waiting for the next set of young Royals players to make a name for themselves then split like the rest. The Royals have been the new Montreal Expos. CHiefs seem to be going in that direction.
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Dude, his salary at ANY point during his NFL career would MORE than cover the cost of a taxi. The bottom line is that he wasn't smart enough to take a taxi.

So, instead of hiring a driver or taking a taxi, what did he opt to do? Quit drinking altogether! That's a little strange, isn't it? It's not like he publicly hired a driver - he quit drinking altogether. Kind of like cutting off the head to save the body. It really doesn't make much sense.

Additionally, there's NO way in the world that after signing a $75 million dollar contract (with a minimum - $25 million dollar contract), that he'd only cost $3 million against the cap. Maybe more like $10-$12 million but not $3 million.

NFW.
DUDE - You are the one that is drinking too much. When he decides to drink again he would lose $3-5M per year in lost salary because he would be suspended for a dui. He has enough sense not to do this at this point in his life.

My point was that he would look at how much he would lose. No. I do not think he would say, "If I drink this beer and drive I will be cut and cost the Chiefs $12m in salary cap."

I am sure that his $375k salary when he was 21 would have covered his cab ride home. There is a difference between that and the maturity to quit drinking when you're on the eve to earning millions. He did it.

How many times do we criticize people for blowing opportunities. He had the maturity to realize what he could realize and he capitalized on it.

He was in a no win situation in your point of view. If he would have acted like Dale Carter or Michael Irvin he would have been a loser for continuing his partying ways.

He quit and it is curious to you? Hmm. What else could he have done?
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He was in a no win situation in your point of view. If he would have acted like Dale Carter or Michael Irvin he would have been a loser for continuing his partying ways.

He quit and it is curious to you? Hmm. What else could he have done?
DUI in high school (which led him to Idaho State)

DUI at Idaho State (leading him to be a 4th round pick with 1st round talent)

DUI #3 as a Chief

DUI #4 as a Chief

What in the freakin' world leads you to believe that in a non-contract year, Jared Allen can be trusted not to get DUI #5?

What?
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DUI in high school (which led him to Idaho State) Was in his teens NO CASH

DUI at Idaho State (leading him to be a 4th round pick with 1st round talent) No cash. Immature

DUI #3 as a Chief Feeling wild oats as a pro player

DUI #4 as a Chief see # 3

What in the freakin' world leads you to believe that in a non-contract year, Jared Allen can be trusted not to get DUI #5?

What?
What leads me to believe it is that if he does drink and drive and knocks someone out he will lose $70m.

Pretty lazy on your part to cut and paste something you already posted. Is this going to cost us $12 or 3 M/year?

Thank you for pointing out that JA is not my freind. I was kind of confused earlier.

The point was that when people have some maturity, something to lose, and most importantly, a demonstrated effort to change. People improve their situations.
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DUI in high school (which led him to Idaho State)

DUI at Idaho State (leading him to be a 4th round pick with 1st round talent)

DUI #3 as a Chief

DUI #4 as a Chief

What in the freakin' world leads you to believe that in a non-contract year, Jared Allen can be trusted not to get DUI #5?

What?
unusually you are right
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