If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i don't give a shit about people's fee fees

i'm trying to make dumb people understand their own insane stupidity

using 8-8 as benchmark of value is insane...and the Chiefs did it

and it is ****ing stupid

No leverage is what you seem to not understand when negotiating. If we had some type of leverage and not in such a vulnerable position of extreme need then your argument is totally right on the mark. But when there is one side that lacks any leverage and is in dire straits of needing a QB that can at least win now that side will always pay a lot more in cost because of the vulnerabilities involved. It's the way of the free market system. Supply and demand that just so happens to occur in the NFL as well as in the general business world. Hell, I applaud the 49er GM because I would expect Dorsey to demand a King's Ransom as well if the shoe were on the other foot. It's called staying on top !!!

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

You seem to be overly fixated on the escalator. There's not that much difference between 8-8 and merely making the playoffs in terms of whether or not a QB has proven his value, but for you it seems to be of monumental importance. It makes very little sense, particularly coming from someone who wanted to spend even more on an immature schmuck that had QB hungry teams looking for offensive linemen in the top 10.

Hahaha

Yeah, I'm a fool for wanting to draft our quarterback rarer than trade for another backup from SF.

There's a ****ing reason why the details of this trade have been so hard to come by the whole time.

Embarrassment.

You know what's truly sad?

Matt Cassel showed more in 2008 than Alex Myth has in his career and ***** spent HALF of what Dorsey did to get his guy.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by SNR

Then we should have gone for a cheaper option.

Alex Smith is better than Carson Palmer, Matt Flynn, and a few others.

There's no way in hell he's good enough for the price that Dorsey paid.

If the 49ers want to be dicks and jack up the price the way they did, Dorsey needed to tell them to go **** off and go with someone else. Especially since it's pretty apparent Alex Smith is not the long-term solution in KC. Matt Flynn serves the exact same goddamn function and could have been had for our 4th rounder.

There was no cheaper option that allows Clark to win now. AS has 1 and 1/2 yrs of productive winning at the QB position. Flynn has one big game .

49ers being dicks ???? I would hope Dorsey would have been a 'big tool' as well if the situations were reversed. Dorsey wasn't in a position of leverage to tell the 9ers to "suck it". It's called taking advantage of the market place that allows you to stay on top in a very competitive environment.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Hahaha

Yeah, I'm a fool for wanting to draft our quarterback rarer than trade for another backup from SF.

There's a ****ing reason why the details of this trade have been so hard to come by the whole time.

Embarrassment.

You know what's truly sad?

Matt Cassel showed more in 2008 than Alex Myth has in his career and ***** spent HALF of what Dorsey did to get his guy.

You build a whole fantasy world around your thoughts, don't you. Knock yourself out.

[BossChief]

Tap out acknowledged.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Tap out acknowledged.

Yeah, you really showed me. Keep up the good work, champ.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Your definitions of "win now" are far different than mine. A guy who can get a team to win now is Peyton Manning w/ last year's Broncos, not Alex Smith. The entire problem with the trade is that it's a substantial overpay for a player of limited skill and impact.

Do you really believe that Alex Smith is all of a sudden going to be the kind of guy who puts a team on his back when he had an elite running game, defense, and coach just to appear like a passable QB (who was benched at the first available opportunity, no less)?

Smith isn't some kind of prospect, he's a known commodity. Congratulations, Chiefs Fans, you just sunk a sizable portion of your investment portfolio in Sears.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Dude the trade got even better on draft day for you. 49ers traded down and they got Tennessee's 3rd next year as well.

Chiefs Second
Titans Third
for Alex Smith. Damn 49ers raped.

Truth.

This is what KC got the 49ers in exchange for Alex.

2013 Tank Carradine
2014 KC's overall pick #50 give or take
2014 Titans' overall pick #75 give or take

For an $8,000,000 a year backup we had to cut anyway.

Thank you! I'm not ungrateful...

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Your definitions of "win now" are far different than mine. A guy who can get a team to win now is Peyton Manning w/ last year's Broncos, not Alex Smith. The entire problem with the trade is that it's a substantial overpay for a player of limited skill and impact.

Do you really believe that Alex Smith is all of a sudden going to be the kind of guy who puts a team on his back when he had an elite running game, defense, and coach just to appear like a passable QB (who was benched at the first available opportunity, no less)?

Smith isn't some kind of prospect, he's a known commodity. Congratulations, Chiefs Fans, you just sunk a sizable portion of your investment portfolio in Sears.

Hey, I didn't like this trade anymore than you did and what we had to give up. BUT we had "zero leverage" at all levels. Cassel is on your roster, no sure fire "Luck" in the draft with the No.1 pick, only one decent FA QB on the market that everyone else wants, a new regime that has to win now(more wins than last year) and the biggest exposure of vulnerability is the fact we have NO QB and a trading partner who knows all these vulnerabilities and takes us to the woodshed for it as they should if the shoe were on the other foot.

Andy already knew this QB class sucked and there were no other FA QBs except for AS that could get the Chiefs back to being at least competitive and possibly making the playoffs. Yes the "winning now" definition should be SB bound and nothing else I agree. But Andy knows just more wins at this point putting butts back in the seats and establishing a winning culture has to be the first order of business and unfortunately AS is the only option at QB for getting this ball rolling in the right direction.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

There was no cheaper option that allows Clark to win now. AS has 1 and 1/2 yrs of productive winning at the QB position. Flynn has one big game .

49ers being dicks ???? I would hope Dorsey would have been a 'big tool' as well if the situations were reversed. Dorsey wasn't in a position of leverage to tell the 9ers to "suck it". It's called taking advantage of the market place that allows you to stay on top in a very competitive environment.

According to Reid and Dorsey, 8-8 is "winning now."

We could "win now" with Matt Flynn.

It's obvious to me that the Chiefs should worry less about winning now and worry more about winning in the future. Without a real QB in the future, the team will only ever aspire to become the 2010 Chiefs once every four years. That's the average occurrence of a favorable enough schedule that allows a team with an above average defense, fantastic running game, and game manager QB to make the playoffs.

With excellent drafting to fill out the remaining holes in the roster, we MIGHT just be lucky enough to be the current state of the Cincinnati Bengals, who come up just short of a playoff win every season.

More is needed out of the QB position than Alex Smith. Some other options (INCLUDING THE GODDAMN DRAFT REGARDLESS OF THE PERCEIVED QUALITY OF QBS) absolutely need to be considered in order to find the right guy.

For now, Reid and Dorsey gave up. They're punting on the QB issue for 2013.

And that's simply not good enough. They're too chickenshit to even try Matt Barkley in the late 3rd round, but will give up 2 2nds for Alex Smith.

That's the unreality of this entire nightmare. We brought in a couple of supposed QB gurus as the head of our organization. They weren't supposed to pull Martyocre bullshit like this.

[007]

AT least now we know they will only get a 3rd from us.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm starting to agree.

I just read that 2-14 is better than 8-8...

the people on this board are ****ing fantastic...

you know

until they start talking about Chiefs football

and then they all suck

[Hootie]

I don't think I could ever handle another 2012. That was the worst season to be a fan in my life. The team wasn't even ****ing competitive.

At least in the Thigpen year when we were dogshit we always kept the score close, you know, for the most part.

These games were just mentally taxing.

So if going 8-8 every year for the rest of my life is something that happens so I can avoid 2012 then sign me the **** up.

Don't give a shit anymore. I'd like to enjoy my Sunday's again...at least some of them. Last year was miserable.

...and if we didn't get Alex Smith this year...who the **** would be our QB?

[Hootie]

too chickenshit to try Matt Barkley?!

HELLO

HELLO

MATT BARKELY WENT IN THE 4TH ****ING ROUND. APPARENTLY NO ONE WANTED MATT BARKLEY.

Matt Barkley, as a prospect, apparently sucks ass.

You're pining for Matt Barkley but aren't you the same guy who hated the idea of Kirk Cousins?!

what in the **** is the difference?

Good Christ you guys just bitch to bitch.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Hahaha

Yeah, I'm a fool for wanting to draft our quarterback rarer than trade for another backup from SF.

There's a ****ing reason why the details of this trade have been so hard to come by the whole time.

Embarrassment.

And this is your problem. You don't really care if Alex Smith is successful or not, and you won't even give him a chance, because you are embarrassed. What a crappy and insecure reason.

That fact that we didn't draft him has no relevance, and what prior 49ers QBs did in KC has no relevance, only his performance on the field does. And he hasn't even taken the field yet.