Chiefs Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure" - Page 37

**the Talking Can** · 06:49 AM

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

keg in kc · 09-26-2013, 01:11 PM

"They haven't had to" is a really poor rationale.

You always "have to", especially against a team like the Eagles. As we saw when they were gouging us on broken running plays.

Every quarter, every series, every down is important. You don't play with the attitude of "oh whatever, it's just the first half, we can get it done when we really need to."

It totally counted before halftime. If they "get it done" in the first two quarters it's probably a 30-6 game at the half, and we're actually able to play conservative football in the 2nd half, instead of biting our nails and trying to hang on for dear life because it's a 1 TD game in the 3rd quarter. And we definitely aren't sitting here trying to rationalize an offense that's clearly failing to execute as being some kind of intentional martyball passing game.

Marcellus · 09-26-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Funny, no one seems to care how KC wins their games.

But anyone else? It's dissected to pieces.

I love me a good old fashioned double standard from you folks.

"3-0!"

Funny, Team X is 3-0 or 2-1 and has 4-6 INT's from their QB.

"Yeah, well. Did you see HOW they won?"

You y'all actually believe the bullshit you type?

Pretty ironic post. Isn't this exactly what you are concerned about with KC, how they won? Isnt that why you are in this thread?

But it cant be pointed out that the Jets were literally gifted a win?

It works both ways.

jspchief · 09-26-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Ravens just won with Dennis Pitta.

Eli won with Bear Pascoe, Jake Ballard and Travis Beckham.

Brees won before Graham, IIRC that was the year Shockey and Darnell Dinkins were the TE's.

But yeah, you need a ****ing superstar at TE.

Hey, we wouldn't have had all our playoff wins if not for Tony Gonzalez.

In real offenses, good QBs make TEs dangerous because defenses are forced to choose between defending all positions on all parts of the field.

In the Chiefs offense, defenses just crowd the line and between the hashes.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Funny, no one seems to care how KC wins their games.

But anyone else? It's dissected to pieces.

I love me a good old fashioned double standard from you folks.

"3-0!"

Funny, Team X is 3-0 or 2-1 and has 4-6 INT's from their QB.

"Yeah, well. Did you see HOW they won?"

You y'all actually believe the bullshit you type?

Yeah, that's right: I couldn't give a flying **** about how the ****ing JETS win games.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Ravens just won with Dennis Pitta.

Eli won with Bear Pascoe, Jake Ballard and Travis Beckham.

Brees won before Graham, IIRC that was the year Shockey and Darnell Dinkins were the TE's.

But yeah, you need a ****ing superstar at TE.

How about someone better than Kevin Brock and Sean McGrath?

Too much to ask or would all of those teams be world beaters with those schlubs, too?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Hey, we wouldn't have had all our playoff wins if not for Tony Gonzalez.

In real offenses, good QBs make TEs dangerous because defenses are forced to choose between defending all positions on all parts of the field.

In the Chiefs offense, defenses just crowd the line and between the hashes.

The Giants offense is unstoppable this year

BigCatDaddy · 09-26-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Pretty ironic post. Isn't this exactly what you are concerned about with KC, how they won? Isnt that why you are in this thread?

But it cant be pointed out that the Jets were literally gifted a win?

It works both ways.

And there it is again

Someone didn't watch the game.

Marcellus · 09-26-2013, 01:16 PM

I don't think anyone believes we don't need to improve on offense.

The people who say its mainly Smith's fault are just feeding an agenda.

If Smith was sucking us down I would say he was.

Someone here earlier posted Smith made the most mistakes stalling the offense Thursday night.

Thats complete bullshit. Watch the ****ing game.

WhiteWhale · 09-26-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I just find it ****ing absolutely absurd that this team had won three games in 612 days and is now 3-0 after three weeks.

Yet Alex Smith, who was as dissected as a player to a level I've NEVER witnessed in this forum for months on end, is playing exactly the same as he did in San Francisco in 2011 and 2012, and people complain that he hasn't changed his game or "SOMEDAY, it's going to catch up to him".

Face it: He is who he is. That isn't going to change. Discussing it ad nauseam certainly won't change it.

It makes people like you, OTWP and TTC look bitter and spiteful.

At least Parker had the good sense to discontinue posting due to his hatred of the Chiefs.

This season it will catch up to him.

Not someday. It caught up to him in SF. That's why he's here.

He's not the perfect QB, but I'm not going to wring my hands about it. I'm going to discuss it on a discussion board.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

And there it is again

Is it somehow false?

Did you watch the end of the game?

That might have been the dumbest mistake I've seen in decades. Seriously, I can't think of any other play that literally gave the losing team a chance to win due to an outrageously stupid penalty.

jspchief · 09-26-2013, 01:17 PM

Keep it close, play defense, and don't turn it over. It's such a brilliant philosophy.

I hope the people pretending that everything is A-OK never say a bad thing about Marty Schottenheimer. He's the ****ing Grand Poobah of that religion.

90s Chiefs 2.0! Tickets on sale now!

WhiteWhale · 09-26-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I don't think anyone believes we don't need to improve on offense.

The people who say its mainly Smith's fault are just feeding an agenda.

If Smith was sucking us down I woudl say he was.

Someone here earlier posted Smith made the most mistakes stalling the offense Thursday night.

Thats complete bullshit. Watch the ****ing game.

There are several reasons the offense is struggling. Weird 3rd down playcalling, terrible interior line play, and yes.. the TE position as well.

Alex's playstyle relies heavily on the tight end. That's part of who he is as a player and bad players can really hurt a team.

Marcellus · 09-26-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

And there it is again

Someone didn't watch the game.

You are seriously saying they weren't? How ****ing stupid are you?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

This season it will catch up to him.

Not someday. It caught up to him in SF. That's why he's here.

Untrue.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

He's not the perfect QB, but I'm not going to wring my hands about it. I'm going to discuss it on a discussion board.

I don't think there's a single person in this forum that thinks he's the perfect QB. I doubt there are too many people that would rate him higher than the 15th best QB in the NFL.

Everyone is fully aware of his limitations but that doesn't seem to stop a few people from hammering the point home, in EVERY SINGLE THREAD.

Yay. Alex Smith is a limited QB.

Bitching about it won't change a ****ing thing.

FringeNC · 09-26-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Keep it close, play defense, and don't turn it over. It's such a brilliant philosophy.

I hope the people pretending that everything is A-OK never say a bad thing about Marty Schottenheimer. He's the ****ing Grand Poobah of that religion.

90s Chiefs 2.0! Tickets on sale now!

I didn't realize the consensus view of Reid's time in Philly was that he was a play-not-to-lose Marty clone.

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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	"They haven't had to" is a really poor rationale. You always "have to", especially against a team like the Eagles. As we saw when they were gouging us on broken running plays. Every quarter, every series, every down is important. You don't play with the attitude of "oh whatever, it's just the first half, we can get it done when we really need to." It totally counted before halftime. If they "get it done" in the first two quarters it's probably a 30-6 game at the half, and we're actually able to play conservative football in the 2nd half, instead of biting our nails and trying to hang on for dear life because it's a 1 TD game in the 3rd quarter. And we definitely aren't sitting here trying to rationalize an offense that's clearly failing to execute as being some kind of intentional martyball passing game.
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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $3082662	I don't think anyone believes we don't need to improve on offense. The people who say its mainly Smith's fault are just feeding an agenda. If Smith was sucking us down I would say he was. Someone here earlier posted Smith made the most mistakes stalling the offense Thursday night. Thats complete bullshit. Watch the ****ing game.
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Keep it close, play defense, and don't turn it over. It's such a brilliant philosophy. I hope the people pretending that everything is A-OK never say a bad thing about Marty Schottenheimer. He's the ****ing Grand Poobah of that religion. 90s Chiefs 2.0! Tickets on sale now! __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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