Draft Defense... - Page 3

redbrian · 12-14-2000, 09:02 PM

I know all of you fans would like to see a RB taken in round 1.

But the offense has not been the problem this year. With this team's passing a attack, which is now one of the league's best, I really don't think we need that great of a rushing attack. And no, I don't think we'd be playoff bound if we had Corey Dillon either.

This team's biggest needs are at Defensive Tackle, Outside Linebacker and Punt/Kick Returner.

If the Chiefs would've had a decent Defense this year, they would be in the playoffs. They have the ability to score with anybody right now, but they haven't stopped anyone.

IMO, they should draft a Fullback in the middle rounds to block for TRich and use the higher picks on Defense. They need to audition TRich these last two games. He played very well last week when given the carries.

They should look at drafting these players:

Dan Morgan - OLB (Nation's Best)
Moran Norris - FB (Nation's Best)
David Allen - KR (Nation's Best)

All of these players would fill needs and they are the best at their respective positions and the Chiefs will have the opportunity to draft all of them.

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DoktorSmith · 12-15-2000, 12:06 PM

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My bad. I did not know that you had the same level of blind reverence for RBs that I have for QB-crushers.

I withdraw my objection.

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**ChiTown** · 12-15-2000, 12:20 PM

You mention David Allen, I counter with Bobby Newcombe as the return man. [img]http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

**Bwana** · 12-15-2000, 12:23 PM

I think an exceptional pick in the 2nd rd. would be Mario Fatefahi DT KSU. He is unbelievably quick at 6'2 - 305lbs. He had 8.5 sacks and 80 tackles (15 for losses!) this year. Constantly double teamed, but always had his hands on the ball carrier. Tremendous energy (Dan Salemua type), and zeal for the the game. He is a future pro bowl type, IMO, and something we desperately need for our interior line defense.

My top 3 picks per round assuming we are drafting 15 or better
1. Ladainian Tomlinson - RB TCU. Good speed (4.4), good cutback runner, nice hands
2. Fatefahi (see above)
3. Carlos Polk - LB Nebraska. Excellent speed (4.5), great athlete, nose for the ball.

bishop_74 · 12-15-2000, 12:28 PM

My choice would be to pick the best available RB or LB, whichever is ranked higher at the time.

Under the conditions of course that Kurt is gone and somebody is added that knows how to create plays for a RB.

redbrian · 12-15-2000, 12:29 PM

Chitown,

I totally agree with you about Fatafehi.

My first 4 picks would be:

1.) Dan Morgan - OLB - Miami
2.) Mario Fatafehi - DT - KSU
3.) David Allen - PR/KR - KSU
4.) Moran Norris - FB - KU

That's four holes filled right there with some of the best players in the country at their respective positions.

**Bwana** · 12-15-2000, 12:35 PM

Cannibal

Methinks David Allen will be available as a free agent due to his injury earlier in the season. I think his lack of P.T. in 2000 will kill any chance of him being drafted, IMO.

Because of his lack of ability to run between the tackles, he will strictly be viewed as a S.T.'er, and those guys don't usually get drafted (outside punter/kicker). He is an open field guy, and quite an impressive one at that.

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redbrian · 12-15-2000, 12:38 PM

IMO, Allen will go before round 4 ends.

He's just too explosive to pass up on, even if he does just return punts and kicks.

That's all I want him to do with the Chiefs.

**Bwana** · 12-15-2000, 12:44 PM

Cannibal

I hope you are wrong on Allen and the Chiefs. I don't want to see the Chiefs waste a pick on a ST'er, unless it's a field goal kicker (Rheem would be nice).

This team has many more glaring needs to fill with their 3rd pick than a KR/PR. They should use rds. 3-7 to fill the holes on the OL, secondary and LB. We are going to be very weak with the absence of Hasty and Grunny.

Our return guy can be had in free agency.

redbrian · 12-15-2000, 12:48 PM

Not having a good return man has killed this team more than almost anything else IMO.

3rd round may be a little high, but they better not pass Allen up.

The Chiefs are almost dead last in the league at return yardage.

**Bwana** · 12-15-2000, 12:50 PM

Poor defense and no running game has killed the Chiefs. The return game is a problem of the ST coach and his ****ty system, IMO, not the athletes.

redbrian · 12-15-2000, 12:52 PM

I disagree, Cloud is one of the worst kick returners I've ever seen.

The defense has hurt us the most. But lack of returns is a close second IMO.

**Bwana** · 12-15-2000, 12:55 PM

Again, The coach picks who he wants back there returning the ball. I would have had DA returning every kickoff (how often does your return guy get hurt), and I would not change a thing with Lockett, other than he should have been in there the whole season.

redbrian · 12-15-2000, 12:59 PM

The Giants put Sehorn back to return kicks and he ripped up his ACL on his first try.

I wouldn't sacrifice DA on kicks.

Lockett is not explosive enough for punt returns IMO. Besides, he's probably gone after the year is over.

We have an extra 4th round pick this year. I'd use it on Allen.

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Cannibal · 12-15-2000, 01:26 PM

Anybody like the "take the best available athlete approach" for the first round?

If we don't resign Lockett we'll need to draft a receiver in one of the early rounds.

IMO, these are our greatest needs to fill through the draft:

1. CB. Especially without Hasty.
2. OLB.
3. WR (if we can't keep Lockett).
4. QB. We need to start grooming somebody.

**Bwana** · 12-15-2000, 01:52 PM

Chiefnj

You don't see a big gaping hole to fill at RB? I'm baffled by the number of people that don't have us needing a RB in either RD 1 or 2. This team has no talent, outside a very big hearted Tony Richardson, in the backfield.

Whomever we have in at QB will get killed in '01 without the presence of a bonafide run game.

12-15-2000, 12:06 PM	#31
DoktorSmith Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10004900	KC-CHIEFS-FAN-TX- My bad. I did not know that you had the same level of blind reverence for RBs that I have for QB-crushers. I withdraw my objection. xoxo~ gaz not messin' with another fanatic.<BR>
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12-15-2000, 12:20 PM	#32
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $3133962	You mention David Allen, I counter with Bobby Newcombe as the return man. [img]http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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12-15-2000, 12:23 PM	#33
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2139393647	I think an exceptional pick in the 2nd rd. would be Mario Fatefahi DT KSU. He is unbelievably quick at 6'2 - 305lbs. He had 8.5 sacks and 80 tackles (15 for losses!) this year. Constantly double teamed, but always had his hands on the ball carrier. Tremendous energy (Dan Salemua type), and zeal for the the game. He is a future pro bowl type, IMO, and something we desperately need for our interior line defense. My top 3 picks per round assuming we are drafting 15 or better 1. Ladainian Tomlinson - RB TCU. Good speed (4.4), good cutback runner, nice hands 2. Fatefahi (see above) 3. Carlos Polk - LB Nebraska. Excellent speed (4.5), great athlete, nose for the ball.
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12-15-2000, 12:28 PM	#34
bishop_74 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Denver, CO. USA Casino cash: $8674993	My choice would be to pick the best available RB or LB, whichever is ranked higher at the time. Under the conditions of course that Kurt is gone and somebody is added that knows how to create plays for a RB.
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12-15-2000, 12:29 PM	#35
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	Chitown, I totally agree with you about Fatafehi. My first 4 picks would be: 1.) Dan Morgan - OLB - Miami 2.) Mario Fatafehi - DT - KSU 3.) David Allen - PR/KR - KSU 4.) Moran Norris - FB - KU That's four holes filled right there with some of the best players in the country at their respective positions.
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12-14-2000, 09:02 PM
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	I know all of you fans would like to see a RB taken in round 1. But the offense has not been the problem this year. With this team's passing a attack, which is now one of the league's best, I really don't think we need that great of a rushing attack. And no, I don't think we'd be playoff bound if we had Corey Dillon either. This team's biggest needs are at Defensive Tackle, Outside Linebacker and Punt/Kick Returner. If the Chiefs would've had a decent Defense this year, they would be in the playoffs. They have the ability to score with anybody right now, but they haven't stopped anyone. IMO, they should draft a Fullback in the middle rounds to block for TRich and use the higher picks on Defense. They need to audition TRich these last two games. He played very well last week when given the carries. They should look at drafting these players: Dan Morgan - OLB (Nation's Best) Moran Norris - FB (Nation's Best) David Allen - KR (Nation's Best) All of these players would fill needs and they are the best at their respective positions and the Chiefs will have the opportunity to draft all of them. [This message has been edited by Cannibal (edited 12-14-2000).]
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12-15-2000, 12:35 PM	#36
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2139393647	Cannibal Methinks David Allen will be available as a free agent due to his injury earlier in the season. I think his lack of P.T. in 2000 will kill any chance of him being drafted, IMO. Because of his lack of ability to run between the tackles, he will strictly be viewed as a S.T.'er, and those guys don't usually get drafted (outside punter/kicker). He is an open field guy, and quite an impressive one at that. [This message has been edited by ChiTown (edited 12-15-2000).]
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12-15-2000, 12:38 PM	#37
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	IMO, Allen will go before round 4 ends. He's just too explosive to pass up on, even if he does just return punts and kicks. That's all I want him to do with the Chiefs.
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12-15-2000, 12:44 PM	#38
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2139393647	Cannibal I hope you are wrong on Allen and the Chiefs. I don't want to see the Chiefs waste a pick on a ST'er, unless it's a field goal kicker (Rheem would be nice). This team has many more glaring needs to fill with their 3rd pick than a KR/PR. They should use rds. 3-7 to fill the holes on the OL, secondary and LB. We are going to be very weak with the absence of Hasty and Grunny. Our return guy can be had in free agency.
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12-15-2000, 12:48 PM	#39
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	Not having a good return man has killed this team more than almost anything else IMO. 3rd round may be a little high, but they better not pass Allen up. The Chiefs are almost dead last in the league at return yardage.
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12-15-2000, 12:50 PM	#40
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2139393647	Poor defense and no running game has killed the Chiefs. The return game is a problem of the ST coach and his ****ty system, IMO, not the athletes.
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12-15-2000, 12:52 PM	#41
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	I disagree, Cloud is one of the worst kick returners I've ever seen. The defense has hurt us the most. But lack of returns is a close second IMO.
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12-15-2000, 12:55 PM	#42
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2139393647	Again, The coach picks who he wants back there returning the ball. I would have had DA returning every kickoff (how often does your return guy get hurt), and I would not change a thing with Lockett, other than he should have been in there the whole season.
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12-15-2000, 12:59 PM	#43
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	The Giants put Sehorn back to return kicks and he ripped up his ACL on his first try. I wouldn't sacrifice DA on kicks. Lockett is not explosive enough for punt returns IMO. Besides, he's probably gone after the year is over. We have an extra 4th round pick this year. I'd use it on Allen. [This message has been edited by Cannibal (edited 12-15-2000).]
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12-15-2000, 01:26 PM	#44
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Anybody like the "take the best available athlete approach" for the first round? If we don't resign Lockett we'll need to draft a receiver in one of the early rounds. IMO, these are our greatest needs to fill through the draft: 1. CB. Especially without Hasty. 2. OLB. 3. WR (if we can't keep Lockett). 4. QB. We need to start grooming somebody.
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12-15-2000, 01:52 PM	#45
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2139393647	Chiefnj You don't see a big gaping hole to fill at RB? I'm baffled by the number of people that don't have us needing a RB in either RD 1 or 2. This team has no talent, outside a very big hearted Tony Richardson, in the backfield. Whomever we have in at QB will get killed in '01 without the presence of a bonafide run game.
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