Dolphins working on a trade for offensive tackle Branden Albert

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Branden Albert trade won’t happen unless he lowers his price
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 21, 2013, 6:46 PM EDT
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The much-discussed potential trade of Branden Albert from the Chiefs to the Dolphins doesn’t appear likely at the price Albert is currently seeking.

Although the Chiefs and Dolphins can probably agree on compensation — the Dolphins sending a second-round pick to Kansas City — the hangup is that Albert wants the kind of money that the Dolphins aren’t willing to spend. Specifically, according to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports, Albert wants between $8 million and $9 million a year on a long-term deal.

In other words, Albert is looking for the same kind of contract that left tackle Jake Long got from the Rams — the very contract the Dolphins wouldn’t give Long, which is why he left Miami for St. Louis.

If the Dolphins weren’t willing to pay Long that kind of money, it’s hard to see why they’d be willing to give up a second-round draft pick for the privilege of paying Albert that kind of money. So the Dolphins may need to look elsewhere for a left tackle. And Albert may have to settle for playing this season for the Chiefs, making $9.8 million, and hitting free agency next year.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And yours doesn't exist. Let's all just blindly accept that Reid and Dorsey are right.

It worked out so well for you when your hero was in charge.

We all know the Alex Smith trade not popular so aside from that what are your huge issues?

Do you think they should give Albert $9MM a year?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And yours doesn't exist. Let's all just blindly accept that Reid and Dorsey are right.

It worked out so well for you when your hero was in charge.

Who said anything about blindly accepting anything? Your argument essentially comes down to saying "Because we don't know that the LT is going to be HOF level, they should take a QB". That's the sort of stupid that needs to be prevented from reproducing.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And yours doesn't exist. Let's all just blindly accept that Reid and Dorsey are right.

It worked out so well for you when your hero was in charge.

I'm not blindly accepting that Reid and Dorsey are right, but there are several who are stubbornly refusing to admit that they could be.

I still want us to take Geno, even at 1.1. But that doesn't mean that any alternative, INCLUDING dealing Albert and taking Joeckel, is automatically or inherently wrong.

There's a lot of shouting about absolutes these days, and most of the draft philosophies only make sense in a vacuum. This is the draft class we have. these are the free agents available. These are the teams willing to trade with us. We can't operate outside of those parameters, just do the best you can with the hand you're dealt.

If they pass on Geno, then it will forever be Alex vs. Geno in the "is Reid a moron?" sweepstakes. If they take Geno, then I think they will have done more than enough to appease the fanbase that they are dedicated to winning. And more importantly, they should absolutely have an answer to the QB position on the roster at that point.

But if they don't take Geno, we should leave the pitchforks in the garage until these rookies actually step on the field.

[ct]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

This is going to go down as one of our worst off seasons ever. Trade a 2nd plus change for a shitty, backup caliber QB so we can release our shitty, backup caliber QB. Trade away our proven, starting caliber LT to replace that second rounder we traded for a shitty, backup caliber QB. Use the number one overall pick on an LT to replace our proven, starting caliber LT we traded to replace the second rounder we traded for a shitty, backup caliber QB.

This is a surefire way to win some Super Bowls IMO. We just need to keep running in place and at some point the world will shift around us putting us in the Super Bowl.

Case in point why chiefsplanet should always take their meds. BiPolar DisOrder FTMFW bitches!!!

Not long ago we had just purged the ***** regime and pulled the greatest HC coup before anybody else could get Andy Reid on a plane out of Philly. And now it's all over before they can even execute one draft.

I don't want to be mistaken for a true fan or anything, just blindly excusing Dorsey/Reid and giving a free pass for over paying SanFran, but seriously lets see how this plays out the next few days before we flush just yet.

[beer bacon]

The only thing you absolutely need to win a Super Bowl is a franchise QB. If you don't have one of those, you aren't winning a Super Bowl. Tying yourself to a mediocre QB is a surefire way not to win a Super Bowl as long as that guy is your starter.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Like when they passed on Aaron Rodgers for DJ?

How many true franchise QBs have been available when the Chiefs have picked the last 30 years?

It was always so easy to say there wasn't a worthwhile QB available at their pick, when picking 15-22 except that pick, and this year.

I was hoping they would pick AR at the time, but this place was crazy about DJ, so it all seemed ok since I don't know much.

I have no idea why AR fell, as many thought he would go first overall instead of Alex Smith. Who knows, if the Chiefs had drafted AR, he might have been a bust under those circumstances. But at least they would have tried.

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by ct

Case in point why chiefsplanet should always take their meds. BiPolar DisOrder FTMFW bitches!!!

Not long ago we had just purged the ***** regime and pulled the greatest HC coup before anybody else could got Andy Reid on a plane out of Philly. And now it's all over before they can even execute one draft.

I don't want to be mistaken for a true fan or anything, just blindly excusing Dorsey/Reid and giving a free pass for over paying SanFran, but seriously lets see how this plays out the next few days before we flush just yet.

There are hundreds of people posting CP. One person being ecstatic over the hiring of Reid and me posting what you quoted doesn't make CP bipolar. It means there are a bunch of different posters on CP with a bunch of different opinions. My stance has always been that anything that puts us farther away from getting a franchise QB puts us farther away from winning a Super Bowl. The trade for Alex Smith drove me crazy.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

The only thing you absolutely need to win a Super Bowl is a franchise QB. If you don't have one of those, you aren't winning a Super Bowl. Tying yourself to a mediocre QB is a surefire way not to win a Super Bowl as long as that guy is your starter.

Pretty much all true, unfortunately it does not in any way shape or form take into account where you are going to get said franchise QB.

The bet that is being made is that this draft class has no "franchise" type QB's.

That's what the evidence in front of me says anyway.

[cockeyes]

I think most of us probably remember Reid passing on Rickey Williams (wasn't it) and drafting McNabb, being booed loudly at the draft, etc.

I believe Andy Reid would have taken a QB if he had believed in any of them. Instead he believes in Smith.

He is a proven commodity as a head coach. Yes he has made mistakes over the years but I think coaches can learn from them, and if he's only as good as he has always been its still a good hire.

Joeckel and Alex Smiths' main shortcomings here are that they are not Geno.

I like the idea of resolving LT and QB in the same offseason. How often do you get credible long term solutions at both those positions in the same offseason?

I think Alex Smith's numbers since he got decent coaching in SF show is what he can do, and maybe he can do even more.

The future is looking pretty good and we've only just got the Pioli stank out of Arrowhead

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Who said anything about blindly accepting anything? Your argument essentially comes down to saying "Because we don't know that the LT is going to be HOF level, they should take a QB". That's the sort of stupid that needs to be prevented from reproducing.

No, my argument is that Geno's the best player in the draft.

Your argument is that he isn't and that the entire top of the draft is a crapshoot. I have responded to this argument by pointing out the absurdity in creating a hole in your roster in that environment. You continue to ignore that we have a left tackle already. Drafting a 'crapshoot' left tackle when you already have one is stupid - the end.

And if he's not a crapshoot left tackle, he'd damn well better be elite.

You honest to God think it's acceptable for a team to create a hole at LT and fill it with a marginal upgrade using the first overall pick in the draft?

And yes, all things being equal, when you already have a good player at LT and there is no standout talent available to you, you draft the guy that has the most potential to make you truly elite. On this team, that player is Geno Smith.

Or are you really going to try to argue that upgrading from Brandon Albert to Eric Fisher is what's going to springboard this franchise into championship contention?

[ct]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

The only thing you absolutely need to win a Super Bowl is a franchise QB. If you don't have one of those, you aren't winning a Super Bowl. Tying yourself to a mediocre QB is a surefire way not to win a Super Bowl as long as that guy is your starter.

Tying yourself into drafting for positional need and ignoring value is a surefire way to screw up your draft.

I do not know what they intend to do, but neither do you. Perhaps there's a real possibility a franchise QB can be selected in the 2nd round at a far better value than 1.1, so in their minds flipping Albert for that range of draft selection and taking a LT 1.1 is the better move.

I'm still hoping for a trade down to recoup that lost 2nd rounder, but if nobody wants to play, we take what they think fits best. I prefer Dion Jordan, but then again, that is the exact same "lateral" move with Hali already here, so does that mean they should just take Geno, even if they think ____ is eventually gonna be better and drafted far lower?

Who the heck knows?

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Pretty much all true, unfortunately it does not in any way shape or form take into account where you are going to get said franchise QB.

The bet that is being made is that this draft class has no "franchise" type QB's.

That's what the evidence in front of me says anyway.

If you have the first pick, and you don't have a franchise QB, you take the best QB in the draft. That doesn't mean that guy will turn into a franchise QB, but he is your best shot. It certainly gives you a better shot then if you manufacture a situation where you need to draft a player at a position of much less impact. The Chiefs NEVER draft QBs in the first round, and we NEVER even get close to the Super Bowl. This isn't a coincidence.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

There are hundreds of people posting CP. One person being ecstatic over the hiring of Reid and me posting what you quoted doesn't make CP bipolar. It means there are a bunch of different posters on CP with a bunch of different opinions. My stance has always been that anything that puts us farther away from getting a franchise QB puts us farther away from winning a Super Bowl. The trade for Alex Smith drove me crazy.

This, well said.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

They always have an excuse, always. This is just the latest one, as they can't use the standard one where another team picked their guy ahead of them this year.

You know, if they had to pay those huge contracts like Jamarcus Russel got from the Raiders, I could give them a lot of slack. I wouldn't want them to gamble either. But not now, sorry. It is set up on a tee for them, and they probably won't take a swing.

If by chance they do, I will be back on full homer mode, because then we will see they are actually trying to win a championship. As it is, they are trying to be competitive, to gain respect and sell tickets. Big difference, and Shane069 was right 8 years ago.

Not many places to hide this year ... they can have any QB they want.

If any of the top 3 or 4 ranked QB draftees go elsewhere and turn into an elite QB then the Chiefs blew it.

Geno Smith,Matt Barkley,E.J. Manuel ... even Tyler Wilson(imo)

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No, my argument is that Geno's the best player in the draft.

Your argument is that he isn't and that the entire top of the draft is a crapshoot. I have responded to this argument by pointing out the absurdity in creating a hole in your roster in that environment. You continue to ignore that we have a left tackle already. Drafting a 'crapshoot' left tackle when you already have one is stupid - the end.

And if he's not a crapshoot left tackle, he'd damn well better be elite.

You honest to God think it's acceptable for a team to create a hole at LT and fill it with a marginal upgrade using the first overall pick in the draft?

And yes, all things being equal, when you already have a good player at LT and there is no standout talent available to you, you draft the guy that has the most potential to make you truly elite. On this team, that player is Geno Smith.

Or are you really going to try to argue that upgrading from Brandon Albert to Eric Fisher is what's going to springboard this franchise into championship contention?

What you're claiming have been my arguments haven't been my arguments at all, and you're now just making shit up. Also, your own post:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Most #1 overall picks aren't being used to replace a good young player just entering his 2nd contract.

If that's what you're doing with the pick, then the guy you're replacing him with had better be elite.

contradicts your claim.