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**HemiEd** · 12:48 PM

Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration

Anyone else been following this story? They had a pretty graphic show on nightline about it last night.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Runawa...ory?id=8980479

Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars."

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Department of Transportation: underlying defect causes accelerators to stick.

More PhotosSafety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF THE RUNAWAY TOYOTAS STORY.

Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them.

Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'.

"I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal.

"I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden… my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down."

James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...at-recall.html

MagicHef · 07-12-2012, 08:21 PM

Does this electrical fault also cause the brakes to not work?

**Bugeater** · 07-12-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Does this electrical fault also cause the brakes to not work?

That was discussed earlier in this thread. Go out on the freeway and when you get up to speed, put the gas and the brake to the floor at the same time and see which one wins.

**007** · 07-12-2012, 10:19 PM

I'm not too worried about my 4 cyl Corolla taking me for a fast ride.

MagicHef · 07-12-2012, 10:42 PM

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That was discussed earlier in this thread. Go out on the freeway and when you get up to speed, put the gas and the brake to the floor at the same time and see which one wins.

So the car's own brakes aren't enough, but another car's brakes are (see post #362)?

Seems odd.

**Bugeater** · 07-12-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

So the car's own brakes aren't enough, but another car's brakes are (see post #362)?

Seems odd.

The CHP car didn't have the power of the engine working against its brakes. And I don't know for sure if the brakes would win out in any car or not, but I do know that brakes can get really hot very quickly, and once the brake fluid gets up to a certain temperature it will fail.

You ever drive up to Pikes Peak? When you come back down, they stop you about halfway and actually check your brakes with a heat sensor to make sure they're not overheating, and you're only going about 10-20 mph for most the of the descent.

**007** · 07-12-2012, 11:05 PM

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The CHP car didn't have the power of the engine working against its brakes. And I don't know for sure if the brakes would win out in any car or not, but I do know that brakes can get really hot very quickly, and once the brake fluid gets up to a certain temperature it will fail.

You ever drive up to Pikes Peak? When you come back down, they stop you about halfway and actually check your brakes with a heat sensor to make sure they're not overheating, and you're only going about 10-20 mph for most the of the descent.

and that is why you do the cog railway.

**Bugeater** · 07-12-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

and that is why you do the cog railway.

Then you miss out on being literally a few feet away from plunging to certain death.

**HemiEd** · 07-12-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

LOL Yeah, it won't be long now. We've got em right where we want em.

Like clockwork, **sigh**

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**007** · 07-12-2012, 11:15 PM

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Then you miss out on being literally a few feet away from plunging to certain death.

meh, you can get that in Rocky Mountain National park too without it being so stressful on your brakes.

BTW, can't see your pic link.

**Bugeater** · 07-12-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

meh, you can get that in Rocky Mountain National park too without it being so stressful on your brakes.

BTW, can't see your pic link.

No, you want as many elements of danger involved as possible.

**007** · 07-12-2012, 11:35 PM

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No, you want as many elements of danger involved as possible.

Deberg_1990 · 07-13-2012, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

LOL Yeah, it won't be long now. We've got em right where we want em.

heh, Ed is obsessed with trying to take down Toyota single handedly. He'll get there someday in year 3588.

MagicHef · 07-13-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

The CHP car didn't have the power of the engine working against its brakes. And I don't know for sure if the brakes would win out in any car or not, but I do know that brakes can get really hot very quickly, and once the brake fluid gets up to a certain temperature it will fail.

You ever drive up to Pikes Peak? When you come back down, they stop you about halfway and actually check your brakes with a heat sensor to make sure they're not overheating, and you're only going about 10-20 mph for most the of the descent.

The CHP car did have the power of the Toyota's engine working against it, the exact same power the Toyota's brakes would have had to overcome.

Against my better judgement, I did try it myself on the way to work. I floored the throttle, and when I was at 80, I hit the brakes with my left foot. I didn't even have to press very hard on the brakes, and the results were obvious. I was slowing down, really quickly, even with the gas still floored.

I lived in CO for the first 27 years of my life, I am well aware of overheating brakes on steep descents. The major factor in that is the length of time pressing on the brakes. On a descent like that, you want to keep the car moving, but slowly, so you are intentionally increasing the amount of time that the brakes are applied. In my car this morning, I'm pretty sure I would have been stopped in about 30 seconds or so, an absolute maximum of a minute. That's not nearly long enough to overheat brakes.

I haven't read any of these stories that describe the driver fighting against the car, controlling the speed with the brakes and succeeding for a while, until the brakes gave out and the car took off. They all seem to be some variation of "I had to hit the brakes, but instead of slowing, the car took off suddenly." Does that seem fishy to you?

**HemiEd** · 07-13-2012, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

heh, Ed is obsessed with trying to take down Toyota single handedly. He'll get there someday in year 3588.

They have only been a factor in this country for about 35 years, but yeah, they are the almighty for ever and ever.

I merely posted this update because I think there is a lot more to it than many want to acknowledge. Hopefully the entire picture will be clear one of these days.

dilligaf · 07-13-2012, 10:38 AM

In Feb 2010 either Motortrend or Car and Driver did a test in which they took a V6 Camry upto varying speeds as high as 100 MPH and hit the brakes with the throttle fully pressed. The car stopped with no problems and even stopped from 70 MPH if I remember correctly shorter than a Ford Taurus without the gas pressed.

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