Dolphins working on a trade for offensive tackle Branden Albert

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Branden Albert trade won’t happen unless he lowers his price
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 21, 2013, 6:46 PM EDT
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The much-discussed potential trade of Branden Albert from the Chiefs to the Dolphins doesn’t appear likely at the price Albert is currently seeking.

Although the Chiefs and Dolphins can probably agree on compensation — the Dolphins sending a second-round pick to Kansas City — the hangup is that Albert wants the kind of money that the Dolphins aren’t willing to spend. Specifically, according to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports, Albert wants between $8 million and $9 million a year on a long-term deal.

In other words, Albert is looking for the same kind of contract that left tackle Jake Long got from the Rams — the very contract the Dolphins wouldn’t give Long, which is why he left Miami for St. Louis.

If the Dolphins weren’t willing to pay Long that kind of money, it’s hard to see why they’d be willing to give up a second-round draft pick for the privilege of paying Albert that kind of money. So the Dolphins may need to look elsewhere for a left tackle. And Albert may have to settle for playing this season for the Chiefs, making $9.8 million, and hitting free agency next year.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't think he even goes top 20 in a strong tackle class.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Messier

Yay for almost impossible expectations, or failure!!!!

That's the irony this offseason. When we say Joekel isn't Pace, it's "impossible expectations" but when someone says Geno isn't RG3 it's perfectly kosher.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Yay no expectations for excellence!!!!!!!!!!

The Chiefs can only select from the pool thats available. They cant just magically select a future superstar if one doesnt exist.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

You guys thinking Joeckel wouldn't be a top 10 pick in another NFL draft crack me up.

He wouldn't have last year and if he did it would've been just barely.

He wasn't going ahead of Kalil so that puts him down to 6th at best. The Jags had Monroe and no WRs, they were going Blackmon all the way. The Cowboys had just extended their LTOTF and first round pick from 2 seasons before, they weren't going to take him. The Bucs like Donald Penn a lot at LT and also recently extended him, they weren't going LT. The Dolphins had Long and needed a QB, they weren't going to take him.

The Panthers are the first interesting possibility but they have a very solid LT already in Gross. Cam is a guy that doesn't need elite LT play to perform and the Panthers had the worst defense in football the year prior. I don't think they were going to take him either.

So that leaves the Bills, who took Stephon Gilmore and ended up finding their LT in the 2nd with Cordy Glenn. They might have taken him.

And they've have been wrong for doing it. They're better with Gilmore and Glenn than they would've been with Joekel and a 2nd round DB.

The place where he would've landed and actually been a great pick for the team is Arizona at 13.

The guy's not a difference making tackle. Unless you really believe that Texas A&M just happened to have 2 All-Pro offensive tackles on their O-line because Matthews is a better player than Joeckel.

[oldandslow]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's the irony this offseason. When we say Joekel isn't Pace, it's "impossible expectations" but when someone says Geno isn't RG3 it's perfectly kosher.

Joekel is much closer to Pace than Smith is to Luck...by an enormous margin.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A) Can't trade a comp pick.
B) This entire "Trade up for [fallback quarterback]" thing is just doubling down on stupid.

So instead of using 1.1 on the best developmental QB in the draft and retaining our premier pass-blocking LT, we want to trade our LT, using 1.1 on his replacement and then use our 2nd round PLUS more picks to draft a less talented QB instead?

WHY NOT JUST ****ING TAKE GENO SMITH!?!?!?!

I will be more angry at the Chiefs trading Albert for a pick and then using that pick on a goddamn quarterback than I would've been had they taken a linebacker with it. If they're looking at getting a developmental QB from this draft - take him at 1! Take the best one available and not some watered down fallback position just because you can get him later in the draft. And especially not with the pick you got by trading the person that opened the hole that you used 1.1 to replace! You've managed to downgrade at the developmental QB slot while using more picks and all in the name of replacing a great pass-blocker with a guy that might be good, but history suggests has only about a 50/50 shot of it.

Does anyone else go cross-eyed when they try to process that logic? What ****ing sense does that sequence of events make on any level?

WTF is wrong with some of you people?

This is based on 1% chance of us going QB 1.1.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

The Chiefs can only select from the pool thats available. They cant just magically select a future superstar if one doesnt exist.

Then in this draft you have to swing for the fences at the said impact positions instead of playing it safe and going OL.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

This is based on 1% chance of us going QB 1.1.

I'd say there's a 0% chance of it.

My point is that it's still stupid to take a QB in the 2nd at that point and dumber still to trade up for the privilege.

[keg in kc]

You can look at any number of drafts from the last 10 years and see that Joeckel would have been rated below players (at OT) that went in the 20s. The reason his name, and Fisher's, and now Lane Johnson's are being thrown around at the top of this draft is a commentary more on both the relative lack of blue chip talent in this class as well as the conservative nature of the league on draft day, looking for players at positions perceived to be "safe".

[Messier]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's the irony this offseason. When we say Joekel isn't Pace, it's "impossible expectations" but when someone says Geno isn't RG3 it's perfectly kosher.

Geno might end up better than RGIII, I seriously doubt it, and think its more likely Joeckel=Pace than Geno=RGIII, but who knows. The other teams seem to tell us they don't think so. No one is coming up to take a QB. Geno might be available in the middle of the first, his value is what the teams say it is.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He wouldn't have last year and if he did it would've been just barely.

He wasn't going ahead of Kalil so that puts him down to 6th at best. The Jags had Monroe and no WRs, they were going Blackmon all the way. The Cowboys had just extended their LTOTF and first round pick from 2 seasons before, they weren't going to take him. The Bucs like Donald Penn a lot at LT and also recently extended him, they weren't going LT. The Dolphins had Long and needed a QB, they weren't going to take him.

The Panthers are the first interesting possibility but they have a very solid LT already in Gross. Cam is a guy that doesn't need elite LT play to perform and the Panthers had the worst defense in football the year prior. I don't think they were going to take him either.

So that leaves the Bills, who took Stephon Gilmore and ended up finding their LT in the 2nd with Cordy Glenn. They might have taken him.

And they've have been wrong for doing it. They're better with Gilmore and Glenn than they would've been with Joekel and a 2nd round DB.

The place where he would've landed and actually been a great pick for the team is Arizona at 13.

The guy's not a difference making tackle. Unless you really believe that Texas A&M just happened to have 2 All-Pro offensive tackles on their O-line because Matthews is a better player than Joeckel.

Last years draft was one of the best ever and had great talents. I bet Joeckel would have still been a top 10 pick though.

The year before that was a normal draft and you're high if you think a GM is taking Tyron Smith over Luke Joeckel.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Then in this draft you have to swing for the fences at the said impact positions instead of playing it safe and going OL.

Not if the LT you are picking is one of the best players in the draft and you know you aren't ever going to be willing to pay your existing LT $9MM a year.

Nobody here has the ability to see past the next 12 months apparently. Albert is not getting big $ from KC next year even if we don't trade him this year so we are going to need a LT very soon one way or another.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Joekel is much closer to Pace than Smith is to Luck...by an enormous margin.

That's a matter of opinion. I don't think Joeckel is even on the same continent as Pace, much less in the same area code. Geno doesn't really need to even be part of the discussion. I think the Joeckel pick is a bad one regardless.

Of course I hope it turns out that he's a stud in the end, if we end up drafting him. Although that approach hasn't gotten me much satisfaction the last few years, the way Dorsey and Jackson and Baldwin have all turned out. Jury's still out on Poe.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

You can look at any number of drafts from the last 10 years and see that Joeckel would have been rated below players (at OT) that went in the 20s. The reason his name, and Fisher's, and now Lane Johnson's are being thrown around at the top of this draft is a commentary more on both the relative lack of blue chip talent in this class as well as the conservative nature of the league on draft day, looking for players at positions perceived to be "safe".

Yep. Pretty much.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Messier

Yay for almost impossible expectations, or failure!!!!

How about we expect a player at 1.1 that's actually going to improve this team by one notch?

We already have a good enough LT. We just wasted the 1.1 pick to replace that good enough LT all so we could ****ing save cap dollars.

If the Chiefs are so goddamn worried about the cap, how about they quit signing all these tards like DeVito, quit wasting draft picks on never-will QBs like Alex Smith, and then use those picks to draft some great players that will gradually phase out the need for giving guys like Albert huge contracts?

Because, well, you know... that's a far more elegant and solid solution than pissing away the first overall ****ing pick in the draft on a LT, then keeping the expectations for him nice and low so it looks like an aberrational success.