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Old 03-10-2013, 04:49 PM  
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Installing a passenger side mirror?
some dipshit kicked/punched my side mirror off and I had to go to ebay to buy a replacement...

I am not savvy enough (I'm a dipshit) to install it myself and I am getting a little bit of work done tomorrow at an auto shop and I'm going to bring the mirror with me and ask them to install it for me...

how much should I be expecting them to charge me for that labor since I have already bought the part?
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:18 PM   #181
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:18 PM   #182
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Give me a ****ing break. You might be able to slip that shit past old ladies who are easy targets for snake oil salesmen, but I'm not some ****ing rube. If you want to charge more, raise your hourly rates.

If you're so swift at twisting wrenches, you deserve to charge more per hour. What you don't get to do is bill customers for work that didn't get done.

I have a personal boxing coach. He charges me by the hour. If he trains me for two hours but bills me for 3.5 saying that he gets 3.5 hours worth of results in two hours, I'm going to tell him to go **** himself. If he's so great, he can charge more per hour. He doesn't get to bill me for work he never did.
That is a completely different ball game.

Because he charges you for the time, I charge you for the job.

According to you, Oil changes should cost 50+ for regular oil at Jiffy Lube because of the time it takes. Despite the fact that they charge PER JOB.

Book hours are a means to estimate how much you should charge for THE JOB, not for the hour.

Diagnostics is a different world. You charge down to the minute for diagnostics. If it takes me 1 hour and 14 minutes to find your issue through diagnostics, you get charged exactly that for it.

There are certain things in this business that go by the hour, there are certain things that go buy the job.

I don't understand why you can't wrap your head around this.

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A lot of these jobs are paid for by insurance companies. I'd love to see him bill an insurance company for 2.4 hours on a job booked at 2 hours that can actually be done in 90 minutes.

He would never get away with that. Instead, he just rips off customers who don't know any better.
No, a lot of the jobs you got billed for were collision work which exclusively goes by how much time it takes them, however, they too inflate their book hour on regular mechanics work.

I know the owners of the top two collision repair centers in the KC metro on a first name basis, I know for a fact they do.

Which means 3 of us have just schooled you in your world of things that wouldn't get past an adjuster.

You call me a crook, but the biggest business of crooks is done by adjusters.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:20 PM   #183
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Like I said, it should just be a "By the job" bidding system, similar to windshield replacement.


That way you don't get ****ed by a slow mechanic that runs up the clock.
That's the whole point of those books. If you have a job that should take 3.5 hours, you get charged for 3.5 hours. If it gets done in 3.2 hours because they're fast or 4 because they're slow, the price stays the same...unless you're dealing with a crook. Then, the job takes 3.2 hours and you get charged for 4.5.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:20 PM   #184
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On this point I'm not going to beat around the bush or try and sugar coat anything.

You're a Goddamned liar.
How?

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Why don't you show me one of those threads, you lying ****ing thief?
Lets make a bet, then.

If I find a thread where you and I argued, your name on CP is forever changed to "lying ****ing thief", if I can't find one, mine is changed forever to "lying ****ing thief".

Do we have an agreement? Or do you back down knowing that I am not wrong, that I am an honest person, and I call it exactly how it is?

I'm not asking for an apology here, you are entitled to say what you want, I'm asking you how far you're willing to go to troll, or if you're being serious right now.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:21 PM   #185
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That's the whole point of those books. If you have a job that should take 3.5 hours, you get charged for 3.5 hours. If it gets done in 3.2 hours because they're fast or 4 because they're slow, the price stays the same...unless you're dealing with a crook. Then, the job takes 3.2 hours and you get charged for 4.5.
What you just agreed with, is exactly what I've been saying this entire time, only that EVERY BUSINESS IN THE GREATER KANSAS CITY METRO AREA adjusts their program to scale up the book time by a percentage.

Jesus Christ dude. READ!
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:25 PM   #186
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What you just agreed with, is exactly what I've been saying this entire time, only that EVERY BUSINESS IN THE GREATER KANSAS CITY METRO AREA adjusts their program to scale up the book time by a percentage.

Jesus Christ dude. READ!
Good Christ man, are you a ****ing stroke victim? You've flat out stated that you bill for the book time plus 20%...you lying ****ing thief.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:26 PM   #188
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I think an interesting question to ask Saul is this.

If Mitchell and Alldata, which have been in business far longer than I have, have the option to scale booktime +/- in their software, does that not make them crooks? Despite the fact that they are the industry leaders in approximated "book times".?
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Good Christ man, are you a ****ing stroke victim? You've flat out stated that you bill for the book time plus 20%...you lying ****ing thief.
No, I've stated that my book time is increased by a percentage.

There is a difference.
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