If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Messier

By about a round.

For two years.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Messier

I guess Smith was lying at the PC.

About what?
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

And for those in this thread that think Eli Manning isn't elite, I give you Ramses Barden.

Eli's inconsistency is due, to a large degree, to the fact that he plays behind one of the worst O-Lines in the league.

But he is a guy that makes big plays in the biggest moments, and that to me is exactly what defines elite.

Actually, there are a number of definitions for elite QB.

Peyton Manning is elite, because he can carry a team through the regular season, but unlike his little brother, he shrinks in the biggest moments, and there's no way in hell he wins more SBs behind that sorry than Eli has.

This is all you need to say
http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

In their two super bowl runs, he has a 15 TD / 2 INT ratio. Had a 100+ rating in 5/8 of those games. In his last playoff run, in all 4 games he threw for 275 yards. Interesting that people don't call him elite, because there are very few QBs I'd take on my team over him.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This is all you need to say
http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

In their two super bowl runs, he has a 15 TD / 2 INT ratio. Had a 100+ rating in 5/8 of those games. In his last playoff run, in all 4 games he threw for 275 yards. Interesting that people don't call him elite, because there are very few QBs I'd take on my team over him.

How about when they miss the playoffs in a pretty mediocre division because Eli shits the bed for a handful of games?

Those "very few" QBs you would take over him are the truly elite QBs in the league.

Eli is the best of the rest, but he's not on the level of a Brady, Rodgers, Brees or his brother.

[Messier]

The compensation was high, I admit. I also admit I don't know any details as to other teams involvement, or the negotiations between the 49er and the Chiefs, not enough to just say the Chiefs were scammed. Reid wanted Smith, I guess if thought he could do just as well with Kolb or Flynn, he would've walked on the 49ers. We'll see if he was right to pull the trigger.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

About what?
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He said the team informed him they weren't releasing him, they wanted him to stay, but would listen to a trade.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

He said the team informed him they weren't releasing him, they wanted him to stay, but would listen to a trade.

Gotta love people who eat up every word a coach says about a player on his way out the door.

I'm sure it was on the top of Harbaughs list to throw Alex under the bus and destroy any negotiating tactics he used to sodomize the Chiefs.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Messier

He said the team informed him they weren't releasing him, they wanted him to stay, but would listen to a trade.

The team may have informed him of that. do teams always tell the truth?
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[SAUTO]

They obviously didn't want him to stay.

Especially at 7.5 million imo
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

How about when they miss the playoffs in a pretty mediocre division because Eli shits the bed for a handful of games?

Those "very few" QBs you would take over him are the truly elite QBs in the league.

And this is different from Big Ben... how?

The question is, do you want a Peyton Manning that is the model of consistency but then plays average in big games, or do you want a Big Ben/Eli that will have ups and downs in the regular season but then piece together a playoff run that few QBs are capable of? I'll take the latter, please.

[jd1020]

The 49ers found themselves in a position where they wouldn't be able to sign all of the players they could have drafted with their 14 draft picks or w/e stupid number they had, but apparently they would have had room for Alex Smiths contract.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And this is different from Big Ben... how?

The question is, do you want a Peyton Manning that is the model of consistency but then plays average in big games, or do you want a Big Ben/Eli that will have ups and downs in the regular season but then piece together a playoff run that few QBs are capable of? I'll take the latter, please.

I've never said Big Ben was elite, because he's not.

I'd take Peyton Manning, without question. The Broncos backed off in the 2nd half in the playoffs last year and wound up losing to a team they were dominating in the first half. They didn't even choose to go for a score before the end of the first half with like 2 timeouts and P. Manning at QB with like 50 seconds on the clock, iirc.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by jd1020

The 49ers found themselves in a position where they wouldn't be able to sign all of the players they could have drafted with their 14 draft picks or w/e stupid number they had, but apparently they would have had room for Alex Smiths contract.

this.
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[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

Troy Aikman could take the top off a defense, and take over games when the team needed him to do so.

Michael Irvin would be a highly talented receiver who never fully realized his potential had Alex Smith been his QB.

I understand the concept of a Hall of Fame guy versus the field and why I eventually ended with a Matt Hasselback reference.

I think A. Smith is of a MH level (a tad better IMO) and with the correct supporting cast, can actually be a title contender type of QB.

I think that we've become so over-the-top in terms of expecting the Chiefs to get that Hall of Fame QB that we're instantly denigrating the capabilities of a guy like A. Smith, especially in a Reid type offense (and especially one with aspects of a Childress/Ault union of the minds). Which is ironic in that this franchise has suffered through some of the worst QB situations over the past 40 years.

Many around here seem to be of the mindset of "Well, he ****ing sucks because some other team was willing to trade him so we should draft Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Troy Aikman/Joe Montana/Johnny Unitas/John Elway because, well, you know, a guy like that is always going to be sitting there for the Chiefs in every draft."

And that just ain't gonna happen.

So, what we have here is a guy who Andy Reid obviously feels quite strongly about in terms of running his system. A guy who was finally coming into his own after suffering through some of the worst head coaches and offensive coordinators of the past decade. A veritable carousel of crap every single year was the fate suffered by A. Smith during his time in San Francisco. And yet, despite this avalanche of horse shit piled upon him, he remained focused, determined and positive. When he finally got a decent HC, the guy started producing.

So, what do we have here in KC with Smith? Do we simply have a re-tread QB that won't distinguish himself beyond a middling level, or do we have a Steve Young, who was basically deemed a bust by the Buccaneers who drafted Testaverde and traded Young to the 49ers for an incredible haul of draft picks at the time of a 2nd and 4th rounder. Young, deemed a cast off bust, and the 49ers were routinely criticized by the fans and press as a waste of a trade and far too expensive because of the picks.

However, west coast system guru Bill Walsh liked the traits that Young brought to the table (athleticism, accuracy, smarts) and when a 30 year old Young got the chance to start for a decent head coach in a new situation, he went on to a Hall of Fame level career despite becoming the 49er's starting QB in his eighth career season.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I've never said Big Ben was elite, because he's not.

I'd take Peyton Manning, without question. The Broncos backed off in the 2nd half in the playoffs last year and wound up losing to a team they were dominating in the first half. They didn't even choose to go for a score before the end of the first half with like 2 timeouts and P. Manning at QB with like 50 seconds on the clock, iirc.

Peyton Manning has had a long illustrious career. In that career, he has been mediocre at best in games that matter most. I would rather take 3 to 4 championships with a few frustrating regular seasons over a 10 year career than a guy who consistently can't get the job finished over those 10 years.

Wanting Peyton over Big Ben or Eli is the Marty Schottenheimer Way where regular season accomplishments trump playoff achievements.