Texas A&M LT Joeckel is coming out for draft

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tyton75

I love how the thought isn't even considered and I'm just blasted for coming up with a differing opinion.

While Geno was awesome against walk-over opponents, he was no better than average most of the year. Assuming he is the one that everyone here is SO desperate to draft no.1 OVERALL.

Wouldn't you think it might make a little sense to look around and see if we can find someone who was actually a stand out in their position in college?

You're blasted for offering nothing to substantiate things like:

"Joekel is the best OT prospect in 10 years" and "He's the next Willie Roaf".

Offer some substance and I'll respond in kind. All you've done is offer your spin on a tired debate without any facts to back it. As maqe has noted - many of us are tired of the double standard being applied to prospects at 'lesser' positions. If you draft Joekel, he's a surefire HOFer whereas if you draft a QB, he's the next Ryan Leaf.

It's just dumb and ultimately it's nothing more than a by-product of A) People in KC have had this anti-QB bias beaten into them and B) The unrealistic and wholly inaccurate assumption that you only take a QB at #1 overall when Andrew Luck is sitting there.

That's why you got blasted. Not because of your opinion, but because your opinion is the same re-packaged, ill-informed, wrong-headed tripe that we've heard for years.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You're blasted for offering nothing to substantiate things like:

"Joekel is the best OT prospect in 10 years" and "He's the next Willie Roaf".

Offer some substance and I'll respond in kind. All you've done is offer your spin on a tired debate without any facts to back it. As maqe has noted - many of us are tired of the double standard being applied to prospects at 'lesser' positions. If you draft Joekel, he's a surefire HOFer whereas if you draft a QB, he's the next Ryan Leaf.

It's just dumb and ultimately it's nothing more than a by-product of A) People in KC have had this anti-QB bias beaten into them and B) The unrealistic and wholly inaccurate assumption that you only take a QB at #1 overall when Andrew Luck is sitting there.

That's why you got blasted. Not because of your opinion, but because your opinion is the same re-packaged, ill-informed, wrong-headed tripe that we've heard for years.

Here's a spin: You take the person at one that you feel will contribute more to your organization over a longer time span. I'm not convinced Geno is it. However, I, nor anybody outside of the Chiefs organization, make that call.

Ironically, I think if the Chiefs would have won a couple of more games and had a lower draft spot in the first the same things would have happened and we probably would draft a quarterback.

This place is going to epic meltdown status on draft day because I don't think Geno is in the cards.

[tyton75]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You're blasted for offering nothing to substantiate things like:

"Joekel is the best OT prospect in 10 years" and "He's the next Willie Roaf".

Offer some substance and I'll respond in kind. All you've done is offer your spin on a tired debate without any facts to back it. As maqe has noted - many of us are tired of the double standard being applied to prospects at 'lesser' positions. If you draft Joekel, he's a surefire HOFer whereas if you draft a QB, he's the next Ryan Leaf.

It's just dumb and ultimately it's nothing more than a by-product of A) People in KC have had this anti-QB bias beaten into them and B) The unrealistic and wholly inaccurate assumption that you only take a QB at #1 overall when Andrew Luck is sitting there.

That's why you got blasted. Not because of your opinion, but because your opinion is the same re-packaged, ill-informed, wrong-headed tripe that we've heard for years.

I can totally understand where you are coming from. You are right, I have nothing but what I heard on the radio stating that some think he's the best OT prospect in 10 years.

But you have to agree that this is a very DOWN QB year.
-Everyone is charging ahead for Geno solely based on his big numbers early in the season.
Barkley was so/so and got hurt.

Assuming those are the 2 best options for the 1st pick at QB. They just both appear to be "Christian Ponder" to me. Game managers at best.

Just NOT the type of players you take with the overall no. 1 pick if there is a stunning player at a different position. Like a Jarvis Jones type guy who can really be a game changer.

We are not going to be able to turn this all around in 1 season, I'm sorry. We need talent.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by tyton75

But you have to agree that this is a very DOWN QB year.

Bunch of ****ing horseshit.

[tyton75]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Bunch of ****ing horseshit.

lol.. Really? If its such horseshit, how does Colin Klein make it as a Heisman finalist and your God Geno doesn't?

This QB class is SO good that a Freshman QB won just about every major QB award.


Lets forget about the fact that we could potentially lose Brandon Albert and Dwayne Bowe, giving us 2 major holes to fill. Not to mention that we have NOTHING on the other side of Brandon Flowers.

MEDIOCRE college QB or BUST!!!

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by tyton75

I can totally understand where you are coming from. You are right, I have nothing but what I heard on the radio stating that some think he's the best OT prospect in 10 years.

But you have to agree that this is a very DOWN QB year.
-Everyone is charging ahead for Geno solely based on his big numbers early in the season.
Barkley was so/so and got hurt.

Assuming those are the 2 best options for the 1st pick at QB. They just both appear to be "Christian Ponder" to me. Game managers at best.

Just NOT the type of players you take with the overall no. 1 pick if there is a stunning player at a different position. Like a Jarvis Jones type guy who can really be a game changer.

We are not going to be able to turn this all around in 1 season, I'm sorry. We need talent.

This won't end very well...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by tyton75

But you have to agree that this is a very DOWN QB year.

This is a better QB year than 2010 AND 2011. It's easily on par with 2009 when Stafford went #1 overall.

The ONLY reason people are saying this is because they can see Luck and RG3 in their rear view mirror.

[tyton75]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This is a better QB year than 2010 AND 2011. It's easily on par with 2009 when Stafford went #1 overall.

The ONLY reason people are saying this is because they can see Luck and RG3 in their rear view mirror.

Good point. I remember thinking Stafford was a reach at #1 and that was clearly wrong. He's a very good Pro QB.

I really hope I'm wrong here and Geno is awesome and everyone on CP can drop their load all over themselves.

But considering this was a Luke Joekel thread, I thought I would try to talk about what a good OT he is and how it might be a good idea to consider it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tyton75

But you have to agree that this is a very DOWN QB year.
-Everyone is charging ahead for Geno solely based on his big numbers early in the season.
Barkley was so/so and got hurt.

No I don't.

This year's QB class is extremely deep, actually. Even after Murray stayed in, I think you'll get 3 decent QBs from this class. Smith, Wilson, Barkley, Bray, Glennon, Jones and Manuel all have a lot of strengths.

Barkley will be a successful starter in this league; a Matt Schaub type of QB. He just doesn't have a massive upside to him so I don't love him as a first rounder. Bray has skills that rival Matt Stafford's. Smith has the best touch I've seen in the draft since Bradford but he's healthier, more mobile and with a stronger arm than Bradford had. Wilson has a gamblers mentality and a willingness to attack downfield with the arm to do it. Manuel has a protype build and an absolute cannon and some mobility thrown in. Jones and Glennon both have the tall, strong-armed, pocket passer thing going for them.

There are going to be good QBs that come out of this draft and perhaps even 1 or 2 extremely good ones.

Compare this QB draft to any other QB draft over the last decade and it does extremely well except for 03 (Ben, Eli and Rivers) and last season's.

This idea that this year's QB class is a bad class is just inaccurate. Moreover, next year's class is going to be even worse.

So no, I don't have to agree that this is a down year for QBs. In face, I believe it is, at worst, a slightly above average QB draft.

[tyton75]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No I don't.

This year's QB class is extremely deep, actually. Even after Murray stayed in, I think you'll get 3 decent QBs from this class. Smith, Wilson, Barkley, Bray, Glennon, Jones and Manuel all have a lot of strengths.

Barkley will be a successful starter in this league; a Matt Schaub type of QB. He just doesn't have a massive upside to him so I don't love him as a first rounder. Bray has skills that rival Matt Stafford's. Smith has the best touch I've seen in the draft since Bradford but he's healthier, more mobile and with a stronger arm than Bradford had. Wilson has a gamblers mentality and a willingness to attack downfield with the arm to do it. Manuel has a protype build and an absolute cannon and some mobility thrown in. Jones and Glennon both have the tall, strong-armed, pocket passer thing going for them.

There are going to be good QBs that come out of this draft and perhaps even 1 or 2 extremely good ones.

Compare this QB draft to any other QB draft over the last decade and it does extremely well except for 03 (Ben, Eli and Rivers) and last season's.

This idea that this year's QB class is a bad class is just inaccurate. Moreover, next year's class is going to be even worse.

So no, I don't have to agree that this is a down year for QBs. In face, I believe it is, at worst, a slightly above average QB draft.

I sincerely hope you are correct.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by tyton75

I can totally understand where you are coming from. You are right, I have nothing but what I heard on the radio stating that some think he's the best OT prospect in 10 years.

But you have to agree that this is a very DOWN QB year.
-Everyone is charging ahead for Geno solely based on his big numbers early in the season.
Barkley was so/so and got hurt.

Assuming those are the 2 best options for the 1st pick at QB. They just both appear to be "Christian Ponder" to me. Game managers at best.

Just NOT the type of players you take with the overall no. 1 pick if there is a stunning player at a different position. Like a Jarvis Jones type guy who can really be a game changer.

We are not going to be able to turn this all around in 1 season, I'm sorry. We need talent.

Alright, imma tackle this one.

1. No, people aren't in love with Geno because of his numbers. So False. Most people here now that college numbers mean dick when evaluating a QB. People are in love with him because he has a very good physical tool set. He's an accurate passer with an outstanding release. He's athletic and mobile, has shown the ability to go through his progressions. That statement you made reeks of ignorance, ignorance that is spreading like a disease among Chiefs fans.

2. EVERY year aside from last year has been a "down" year for QB's. Aside form 2012, it's been the same shit every year, i'd think you knew by now. Around this time every year, aside from last of course, the "there is no QB worthy of #1" argument has been made.

3. You gotta stop listening to the damn talking heads. I GUARANTEE their opinions will change as draft day gets closer. You gotta use your own eyes. If you look at Geno Smith's cut ups and tell me all you see is a game manager, then i suggest you get your eyes checked.

[htismaqe]

So I turn on WHB and they're taking calls...

Caller #1: What if we take that tackle from Texas A&M and get a QB later? Maybe we could get Matt Barkley in the 2nd...

Caller #2: If we can get the 2010 Matt Cassel - 27 TDs, 7 INTs - I'll take it.

Caller #3: You're gonna think I'm nuts but why is nobody talking about Chase Daniel.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So I turn on WHB and they're taking calls...

Caller #1: What if we take that tackle from Texas A&M and get a QB later? Maybe we could get Matt Barkley in the 2nd...

Caller #2: If we can get the 2010 Matt Cassel - 27 TDs, 7 INTs - I'll take it.

Caller #3: You're gonna think I'm nuts but why is nobody talking about Chase Daniel.

There was a caller the other day who argued we should trade the #1 overall pick for Cousins...

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

There was a caller the other day who argued we should trade the #1 overall pick for Cousins...

[buddha]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

There was a caller the other day who argued we should trade the #1 overall pick for Cousins...

Nobody would do that, but I would consider a second round pick.