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Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 06:42 PM

I brought this up in another thread, but I feel like it may warrant it's own.

IF you cut Houston, it costs you $7 million, (5.6 if you wait till June 2 but you kinda can't wait that long to free up the cash)

If you tag and keep Ford, it's going to cost you like $16 million.

So you've got $23 million conservatively wrapped up in one position: RDE.

IF you keep Houston at $21 million, and tag and trade Ford's $16 million,

you have $21 million in that RDE position. PLUS you get the pick for Ford, which will be I think a decent #2 and perhaps a low #1.

With the extra high pick, you draft a RDE somewhere in your 4 picks in the top 64, along with a CB, and a S.

You'll have enough for one, maybe two impact FA's and be set for next year, when you can cut Houston for only $1.5 dead cap.

I think we've been looking at this wrong; it's a net savings to keep HOUSTON and let FORD go. He's also the better all-around player.

YontsRBake · 02-21-2019, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

what are you talking about? If we tag and trade Ford, we pay nothing. If we keep him, we have to pay the tag number, estimated about $16 million.

$16 m plus $7 to cut Houston = $23 million. If we tag and trade Ford, we pay nothing. Houston's $21 million.

What am I missing? Ford is not under contract at the moment. There is no dead cap number.

Half a tag is guaranteed and becomes dead money in a tag and trade isn’t it?

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

It better be a 2 plus then. His last season is worth that to someone.

It's entirely possible that someone that's all in right now would throw a #1 in. A team with an aging QB maybe. Saints? Green Bay?

Probably a 3-4 team, but not necessarily.

But I keep saying #2 because I think that's baseline what you could expect.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

Half a tag is guaranteed and becomes dead money in a tag and trade isn’t it?

No, I don't think that's right.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

Half a tag is guaranteed and becomes dead money in a tag and trade isn’t it?

Not that I've ever heard.

YontsRBake · 02-21-2019, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

Not that I've ever heard.

So a tag and trade has no penalty? No way that’s correct or every team would do this with every large expiring contract lol.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It's entirely possible that someone that's all in right now would throw a #1 in. A team with an aging QB maybe. Saints? Green Bay?

Probably a 3-4 team, but not necessarily.

But I keep saying #2 because I think that's baseline what you could expect.

I don't think the saints have a first. Green bay has it.

#12 and #30. Wonder if our 2 and Ford would be worth 12? Our 2 and a 5?

Red Dawg · 02-21-2019, 07:17 PM

One of them is gone. Houston probably because he won't take less money. We need a splash for the back end in FA. That won't happen if we keep both.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

So a tag and trade has no penalty? No way that’s correct or every team would do this with every large expiring contract lol.

Look around and see if you can show me wrong.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

So a tag and trade has no penalty? No way that’s correct or every team would do this with every large expiring contract lol.

they're welcome to try. If there's not takers, they're on the hook for the franchise tag number. It's either an attractive player or it's not.

**BigRedChief** · 02-21-2019, 07:20 PM

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Houston want to play hardball regardeing an extension. Ford is content to play on the tag and bet on himself. Houston can get ****ed.

$21 million to keep Houston. You tag Ford and then trade him for whatever you can get in draft picks for him. That’s saving $37 million. That’s a lot of free agent money to spend on younger and better talent to help the defense.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

One of them is gone. Houston probably because he won't take less money. We need a splash for the back end in FA. That won't happen if we keep both.

did you actually read the post?

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

I don't think the saints have a first. Green bay has it.

#12 and #30. Wonder if our 2 and Ford would be worth 12? Our 2 and a 5?

well, now this is all certainly more fun to consider.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:25 PM

Colts at 26?

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:27 PM

Panthers or browns at 16 and 17 respectively. Maybe?

I'm just looking at possible needs along with a spot we could seriously have a shot at getting to without giving up too much.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-21-2019, 07:28 PM

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What optionsare you talking about? Other teams? He's under contract.

The Chiefs are dangling the rumors that Houston could be cut. All the signs point to the Chiefs making Houston a restructure or else cut decision.

02-21-2019, 06:42 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1954910	The whole key to the offseason right here I brought this up in another thread, but I feel like it may warrant it's own. IF you cut Houston, it costs you $7 million, (5.6 if you wait till June 2 but you kinda can't wait that long to free up the cash) If you tag and keep Ford, it's going to cost you like $16 million. So you've got $23 million conservatively wrapped up in one position: RDE. IF you keep Houston at $21 million, and tag and trade Ford's $16 million, you have $21 million in that RDE position. PLUS you get the pick for Ford, which will be I think a decent #2 and perhaps a low #1. With the extra high pick, you draft a RDE somewhere in your 4 picks in the top 64, along with a CB, and a S. You'll have enough for one, maybe two impact FA's and be set for next year, when you can cut Houston for only $1.5 dead cap. I think we've been looking at this wrong; it's a net savings to keep HOUSTON and let FORD go. He's also the better all-around player.
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Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4772858	One of them is gone. Houston probably because he won't take less money. We need a splash for the back end in FA. That won't happen if we keep both. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	Panthers or browns at 16 and 17 respectively. Maybe? I'm just looking at possible needs along with a spot we could seriously have a shot at getting to without giving up too much.
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