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[tony77]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Do you think his numbers were inflated because he played with such a bad defense?

yes

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by tony77

yes

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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by tony77

yes

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[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by tony77

yes

Then you are not objectively looking close enough then. With that horrid defense he had he knew he would be always pushing the envelope playing from behind a lot of the times. With that said his TD/INT for the season defy logic. He should have had a helluva a lot more INTs but didn't. This say's to me he 'still' makes good decisions in the pocket and manages a game fairly well even under stress to push the envelope and win.

When you hear the phrase "makes everyone around him step up and play better" that is what we call the "IT FACTOR". Making everyone believe they will win before that win is actually attained, especially in the 4th quarter down by 4 points with 1:30, 80yards to go with only 1 time out for a must TD for the win.

Seeing the win before it happens and KNOWING you will accomplish this goal is what is needed in the QB position. What establishes good from GREAT is the GREAT QB has the ability to translate that internal 'fire in the belly to win" and especially that 'vision of victory' to the rest of the team "before" they actually win the game.

Jay Cutler has far more physical ability than Rodgers,Brady, Manning,Brees etc.. BUT what does Jay lack from the rest of these guys(besides SB Wins) that has always been his achilles heel?

No "fire in the belly to win", no vision of winning, thus no leadership to inspire others around him to see victory before it happens. Jay Cutler has always been about Jay Cutler. Jeff George II.

I have not seen all of Geno's career as a starter at WV like many of you to put him in an objectively accurate proper context of his work. I have seen several games from this past season and definitely see the potential in this kid that I believe has a very high ceiling.

My gut tells me he has the "IT FACTOR". What say you from the rest of his body of work?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Then you are not objectively looking close enough then. With that horrid defense he had he knew he would be always pushing the envelope playing from behind a lot of the times. With that said his TD/INT for the season defy logic. He should have had a helluva a lot more INTs but didn't. This say's to me he 'still' makes good decisions in the pocket and manages a game fairly well even under stress to push the envelope and win.

When you hear the phrase "makes everyone around him step up and play better" that is what we call the "IT FACTOR". Making everyone believe they will win before that win is actually attained, especially in the 4th quarter down by 4 points with 1:30, 80yards to go with only 1 time out for a must TD for the win.

Seeing the win before it happens and KNOWING you will accomplish this goal is what is needed in the QB position. What establishes good from GREAT is the GREAT QB has the ability to translate that internal 'fire in the belly to win" and especially that 'vision of victory' to the rest of the team "before" they actually win the game.

Jay Cutler has far more physical ability than Rodgers,Brady, Manning,Brees etc.. BUT what does Jay lack from the rest of these guys(besides SB Wins) that has always been his achilles heel?

No "fire in the belly to win", no vision of winning, thus no leadership to inspire others around him to see victory before it happens. Jay Cutler has always been about Jay Cutler. Jeff George II.

I have not seen all of Geno's career as a starter at WV like many of you to put him in an objectively accurate proper context of his work. I have seen several games from this past season and definitely see the potential in this kid that I believe has a very high ceiling.

My gut tells me he has the "IT FACTOR". What say you from the rest of his body of work?

Jay Cutler does not have far more physical ability than Rodgers.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by milkman

Jay Cutler does not have far more physical ability than Rodgers.

Ok "far more" when comparing Cutler to Rodgers is a bit of an over statement. Although, Rodgers has an accurate strong arm, Cutler has a Marino arm of which Rodgers does not. With that said, of course you don't need a laser arm to win SBs but comparing arm strength between Jay and Aaron, Jay wins hands down and is what I should have initially clarified when comparing specifically to Rodgers.