Rock N Poll: Round 2, Heat 8

[Rain Man]

This one should be nice and divisive.

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Who' you vote for? Who'd you vote for?

I changed at least 3-4x going through. I think Joan Jett is a rock & roll anthem for the ages and I definitely like the song. But then I read your criteria again "your top 3" so I changed. I recognize Teen Spirit for what it is and know it was a huge song for the ages but it's not in MY top 3 from the list. I also appreciate Joe Walsh and have even seen him perform this classic live. I even liked the REM offering even though I didn't particularly care for REM in the height of their popularity.

I landed on November Rain, The Who, and MITB. Pretty ecclectic collection for me. Don't get fooled is almost the very same age as me - within a few weeks. November Rain is from my high school era and MITB is from my 20's.

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yup. It deserves to move on just because of its place in RnR history.

Not necessarily... This is not "guess the best songs of an era" or "predict the most influental songs in the music business".... It is "pick YOUR top 3" from the list. Regardless of it being deserving, is it in YOUR top 3?

[cdcox]

The Who, GNR, REM

Originally Posted by cdcox

The Who, GNR, REM

Sweet Child, huh?

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

rain man, you are not a fan of metal, are you?

November Rain is one of the top 20 ever, at least, of all time, and Slash's solo just kicks it! So full of soul.

GnR a metal band?

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Phobia

Sweet Child, huh?

Yep. I really like that song. Cheryl Crow has cover that, isn't as good, but that I still like as a change of pace.

[luv]

Joan Jett better make it to the next round. If the Runaways was anything close to their life, then that woman deserves it.

Originally Posted by Reaper16

GnR a metal band?

Actually, in the 80's, yes. They were considered metal by most people.

Acknowledging that the definition of metal has adapted, I understand your point. But, most guys who lived in the 80's still consider them metal.

[shirtsleeve]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

GnR a metal band?

More hair metal, but yeah hair metal is metal after all, with an LA attitude. And definitely so, comparitively speaking.

[Slainte]

Nirvana, R.E.M., the Who

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Phobia

Actually, in the 80's, yes. They were considered metal by most people.

Acknowledging that the definition of metal has adapted, I understand your point. But, most guys who lived in the 80's still consider them metal.

Holy ****ing ****. Metal ≠ even-harder hard rock. Never has, never will. Nothing about GnR sounds like a metal band. They play rock and ****ing roll, and it couldn't be more obvious.

Sorry, I'm not attacking you specifically. I just can't understand how people can't hear with their own ears the difference between rock and metal. It's as clear as the difference between the colors green and blue.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

More hair metal, but yeah hair metal is metal after all, with an LA attitude. And definitely so, comparitively speaking.

No it isn't. The bands that are often called "hair metal" are not metal bands. They played a glam-influenced hard rock. Just because they had good guitarists doesn't mean they played metal.

[luv]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Holy ****ing ****. Metal ≠ even-harder hard rock. Never has, never will. Nothing about GnR sounds like a metal band. They play rock and ****ing roll, and it couldn't be more obvious.

Sorry, I'm not attacking you specifically. I just can't understand how people can't hear with their own ears the difference between rock and metal. It's as clear as the difference between the colors green and blue.

Hence the word adapt. Were you here in the 80's to know how it was considered then?

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Holy ****ing ****. Metal ≠ even-harder hard rock. Never has, never will. Nothing about GnR sounds like a metal band. They play rock and ****ing roll, and it couldn't be more obvious.

Sorry, I'm not attacking you specifically. I just can't understand how people can't hear with their own ears the difference between rock and metal. It's as clear as the difference between the colors green and blue.

I think we've had a variation of this discussion. I just don't care about the labels. I'm probably wrong. It's not important for me to properly categorize music into a pretty box. I have no idea. So, I should probably just defer to somebody who is passionate about it. For the record though - we called G&R (and probably a host of other non-conforming bands) "metal" in the 80's.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Holy ****ing ****. Metal ≠ even-harder hard rock. Never has, never will. Nothing about GnR sounds like a metal band. They play rock and ****ing roll, and it couldn't be more obvious.

Sorry, I'm not attacking you specifically. I just can't understand how people can't hear with their own ears the difference between rock and metal. It's as clear as the difference between the colors green and blue.

I've found that overly specific musical styles inhibit creativity.

Hair bands -- all sound alike, and gets boring after about 2 or 3 songs in a row
Metal -- all sounds alike, and gets boring after about 2 or 3 songs in a row
Grunge -- all sounds alike, and gets boring after about 2 or 3 songs in a row

These strong categories have kind of ruined music for me. I liked it better in the 1970's when there were a variety of current styles that could all be played on the same radio station. Bands had their own style, and didn't fit into some "me too" category.